Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Thank you Dave for finally providing the manufacturer approval information and some indication of the limited use cases for when to use MoS2 based additives.
Had you not been so emotional about this, you would have provided this far earlier rather than insulting members along the way.
The approved use of the MoS2 additive is clearly limited and not applicable or necessary for 99.99% of vehicle owners.
Thank you Sam. Where do you get this stuff? 99.99%?? Volkswagens only constitute 1/1000th of all the vehicles in use? At least on planet earth, there are slightly more VW's in use, the last time I checked.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
No Liqui Moly oil that contains their MoS2 based additive is approved by any manufacturer.
So much hot air. You do not know the composition of Liqui-Moly's oil products. As I noted above, companies tend to keep that kind of information confidential.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Note, this is not doubting that it does something. All additives do something. The point is whether this something makes a positive difference or not.
Ask Volkswagen. Or GM. Or Pratt & Whitney.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Given that MoS2 is a proven and relatively easily available dry lubricant, if it were able to consistently improve fuel economy, you would think that given the CAFE incentives, vehicle manufacturers would have developed standards incorporating its use to get the official mpg up and claim the credits.
'Trust the big oil companies - they will take care of you'. You are welcome to do so.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Lastly, I leave you with this quote:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
Do we know if MoS2 additive works in modern oil?
We don't.
Modern oils usually have a soluble moly of molybdenum Dithiocarbamate that works fine as a friction reducer.
Okay, so he doesn't know. What exactly is that supposed to prove?
Here are two more quotes of interest:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Will oil analysis reveal the form of the additive in use? For example MoS2 versus soluble moly?
Oil analysis will not reveal the exact type of moly used.
And regarding Liqui-Moly products:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
Does Lubro Moly's [Liqui Moly's] version fully activate at about the same oil temperature range as the Infineum product?
Since we don't know the form of moly they are using no one can make an educated comment.
I'm not questioning Molakule's words but simply noting that many of his answers are "we don't know". At least he's honest on this. As I have suggested, companies keep their cards close to the vest.
BTW. if Molakule doesn't know, and he's in the business, where do you get your detailed information? 99.99%??
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1) If anecdotes and employee-run internal test results are adequate for one additive, they should be adequate for other additives.
2) If you decide to judge additives based on independent tests of their principal ingredients (and such tests results are frequently available), then independent tests of the principal ingredients in another additive should be equally acceptable.
3) Finally, you need to accept that companies simply don't reveal proprietary details about their products nor do they reveal details of internal testing... period. There are lots of reasons for this: legal, business competition, marketing reasons. But it's simply a fact of life. That includes Techron and Molykote and Liqui-Moly MoS2 Anti Friction. Summaries are revealed but not the actual tests.
Thank you Dave for finally providing the manufacturer approval information and some indication of the limited use cases for when to use MoS2 based additives.
Had you not been so emotional about this, you would have provided this far earlier rather than insulting members along the way.
The approved use of the MoS2 additive is clearly limited and not applicable or necessary for 99.99% of vehicle owners.
Thank you Sam. Where do you get this stuff? 99.99%?? Volkswagens only constitute 1/1000th of all the vehicles in use? At least on planet earth, there are slightly more VW's in use, the last time I checked.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
No Liqui Moly oil that contains their MoS2 based additive is approved by any manufacturer.
So much hot air. You do not know the composition of Liqui-Moly's oil products. As I noted above, companies tend to keep that kind of information confidential.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Note, this is not doubting that it does something. All additives do something. The point is whether this something makes a positive difference or not.
Ask Volkswagen. Or GM. Or Pratt & Whitney.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Given that MoS2 is a proven and relatively easily available dry lubricant, if it were able to consistently improve fuel economy, you would think that given the CAFE incentives, vehicle manufacturers would have developed standards incorporating its use to get the official mpg up and claim the credits.
'Trust the big oil companies - they will take care of you'. You are welcome to do so.
Originally Posted By: Sam2000
Lastly, I leave you with this quote:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
Do we know if MoS2 additive works in modern oil?
We don't.
Modern oils usually have a soluble moly of molybdenum Dithiocarbamate that works fine as a friction reducer.
Okay, so he doesn't know. What exactly is that supposed to prove?
Here are two more quotes of interest:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Will oil analysis reveal the form of the additive in use? For example MoS2 versus soluble moly?
Oil analysis will not reveal the exact type of moly used.
And regarding Liqui-Moly products:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
Does Lubro Moly's [Liqui Moly's] version fully activate at about the same oil temperature range as the Infineum product?
Since we don't know the form of moly they are using no one can make an educated comment.
I'm not questioning Molakule's words but simply noting that many of his answers are "we don't know". At least he's honest on this. As I have suggested, companies keep their cards close to the vest.
BTW. if Molakule doesn't know, and he's in the business, where do you get your detailed information? 99.99%??
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1) If anecdotes and employee-run internal test results are adequate for one additive, they should be adequate for other additives.
2) If you decide to judge additives based on independent tests of their principal ingredients (and such tests results are frequently available), then independent tests of the principal ingredients in another additive should be equally acceptable.
3) Finally, you need to accept that companies simply don't reveal proprietary details about their products nor do they reveal details of internal testing... period. There are lots of reasons for this: legal, business competition, marketing reasons. But it's simply a fact of life. That includes Techron and Molykote and Liqui-Moly MoS2 Anti Friction. Summaries are revealed but not the actual tests.