Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I ride the 320 TPI Open Corsa CX Evos (23mm) with Michelin, or Vittoria
latex tubes, and the response is not too far from a good tubular. They even make that scrubbing/'swooshing' sound when you get up out of the saddle and jump hard to start a sprint, just like my old Clement Criterium Seta Extras used to WAAAYYYY back in the day.
I may try the Vittoria Open Pave Evo CGs in 25mm next (at least on the back wheel, if not both).
I'd avoid the Pave's unless you really need a more robust tire. They're wider (24) but they also have a thicker tread and it extends down a little more. They're a little more harsh-riding and they roll slower. The CX now comes in a 25, so if you want something wider that'd be a good option.
I'm using the Vittoria Evo Slick, both tubular and clincher (the clinchers are weekday race/training wheels), and I have to say there's no difference. They feel every bit as good as tubulars. The only reason I'm using tubies is the wheels I like happen to be tubular. A good tire and latex tube and it's literally the same ride. All that said, I think the Conti 4000S is a more reasonable every-day tire. It'll be a lot more durable and flat-resistant.
Thanks for letting me know about the 25mm Open CXes!
Do they come in an Evo Slick in that width as well?
One more thing; WHY does it seem like I'm the ONLY "nut" who
insists on using a latex tube in good, top-end, tubular-like clinchers, since they are soooooo hard to come by (at ANY cost)??
Is it just the cost that makes them rare, and seemingly NOBODY wants to pay for, or does everyone
really think there is NO 'response' difference between them and butyl tubes (BESIDES the slight weight differences)?
If I am going to spend BIG BUCKS on a great "open tubular" clincher, I am NOT going to deaden it by cheaping out on an unresponsive butyl tube, no matter
how light.
What I am getting at is that I feel there is MUCH more to the differences between the two tube materials than
just weight like everyone else seems to think. (Since ALL of the top tubulars 'back in the day' had latex tubes sewn inside, whether the casing was silk, OR cotton.
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