This thing basically blows the competition away, and with some simple ECU tuning, it's unbeatable. The Veyron is still faster in a straight line though.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
...And strangely, because it only comes with two pedals, I have a hard time caring...
Unfortunately, most "supercars" these days are computerized electronic gizmos instead of pure driving machines. Most of them, you can't even get a proper manual gearbox. If I got in one with 'flappy paddles", it would take me a good few hours to figure out how to drive the darn thing! Especially downshifting; it just does not feel right without a clutch pedal.
...And strangely, because it only comes with two pedals, I have a hard time caring...
Unfortunately, most "supercars" these days are computerized electronic gizmos instead of pure driving machines. Most of them, you can't even get a proper manual gearbox. If I got in one with 'flappy paddles", it would take me a good few hours to figure out how to drive the darn thing! Especially downshifting; it just does not feel right without a clutch pedal.
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My next car will be double-clutch or whatever. I've driven stick shift for the last decade. It's cool and all, but you cannot argue with the fact that these new transmissions are actually faster and let you focus more on driving.
Yes, it IS quite quick and responsive handling, especially for it's heft, and an overall performance bargain for the price.
Not too bad looking, but not the most aesthetic thing in the world either.
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Not too bad looking, but not the most aesthetic thing in the world either.
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
I guess if it was flappy-paddle ONLY it might be OK. Once it starts shifting for you, it's not a real gearbox anymore.
An automatic transmission (function, not technology) separates the driver from the car and you don't focus as much on driving when that happens.
An automatic transmission (function, not technology) separates the driver from the car and you don't focus as much on driving when that happens.
Originally Posted By: dparm
My next car will be double-clutch or whatever. I've driven stick shift for the last decade. It's cool and all, but you cannot argue with the fact that these new transmissions are actually faster and let you focus more on driving.
If that last sentence had ended with "on the track," you'd be right.
For a street car, I can argue quite easily with that statement. First, I don't care about speed; anything in this league is an order of magnitude faster than is meaningful on the street. On the street, speed is only meaningful to me as a means to an end, the end being fun; sacrificing fun for speed -- which, again, is all but meaningless to me as long as we're talking about anything faster than a hot hatch -- seems silly. Second, the extra focus on other aspects of driving comes at the expense of involvement; On public roads, I try not to put myself in situations that are reflex-intensive or absolutely inescapable unless I'm in exactly the right gear, so I'd rather have that extra measure of involvement than that slight edge in focus.
My next car will be double-clutch or whatever. I've driven stick shift for the last decade. It's cool and all, but you cannot argue with the fact that these new transmissions are actually faster and let you focus more on driving.
If that last sentence had ended with "on the track," you'd be right.
For a street car, I can argue quite easily with that statement. First, I don't care about speed; anything in this league is an order of magnitude faster than is meaningful on the street. On the street, speed is only meaningful to me as a means to an end, the end being fun; sacrificing fun for speed -- which, again, is all but meaningless to me as long as we're talking about anything faster than a hot hatch -- seems silly. Second, the extra focus on other aspects of driving comes at the expense of involvement; On public roads, I try not to put myself in situations that are reflex-intensive or absolutely inescapable unless I'm in exactly the right gear, so I'd rather have that extra measure of involvement than that slight edge in focus.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
If I didn't have to worry about back seats, I'd take a Viper over a GT-R any day. If I did have to worry about back seats, it might be tough, but I probably would end up with an M3.
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
If I didn't have to worry about back seats, I'd take a Viper over a GT-R any day. If I did have to worry about back seats, it might be tough, but I probably would end up with an M3.
I'm just grateful that the Nissan GT-R came to the USA in 2008, and that the styling is still allright. I liked the styling of the R33, NISMO 400R, and R34 better, however.
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I'm just grateful that the Nissan GT-R came to the USA in 2008, and that the styling is still allright. I liked the styling of the R33, NISMO 400R, and R34 better, however.
Those earlier, not available here save for the 'gray market' models also were much more 'purist' than the current one with a true manual gearbox, and almost none of the nannies of the current version (as well as what, almost 500 lbs. less fat??!).
I'm just grateful that the Nissan GT-R came to the USA in 2008, and that the styling is still allright. I liked the styling of the R33, NISMO 400R, and R34 better, however.
Those earlier, not available here save for the 'gray market' models also were much more 'purist' than the current one with a true manual gearbox, and almost none of the nannies of the current version (as well as what, almost 500 lbs. less fat??!).
What's the price of that first scheduled maintenance at the dealer again?
...or the cost of voiding the warranty for excessive use of the 'launch control'.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
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Originally Posted By: MrCritical
What's the price of that first scheduled maintenance at the dealer again?
FREE. It includes 5yr/60,000 miles of maintenance. Seems like a perfect time to dump it or finish your lease.
Not listed anywhere on the website.
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
What's the price of that first scheduled maintenance at the dealer again?
FREE. It includes 5yr/60,000 miles of maintenance. Seems like a perfect time to dump it or finish your lease.
Not listed anywhere on the website.
Here, let me help you out...
2009 Nissan GT-R: Bargain Supercar Gets Expensive
By Mike Magrath | March 26, 2009
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Those of you 2009 Nissan GT-R haters out there, you're going to love this one. To the GT-R fanboys, well, sorry, this is going to be hard to make excuses for.
Last week we took our Nissan GT-R to Nissan of Santa Monica for routine service. We knew going in that this was going to be an expensive one. We'd been warned ahead of time that this service was not only an oil change (already expensive on these cars), but also a routine change of the differential and transaxle fluids.
Should be simple, right? Consider this: Automatic Transmission Fluid (GT-R specific) lists for $114.98 per quart. That's not a typo-- maybe an accounting error on Nissan's side, but not a typo. Forget Cristal we're going to start seeing hip-hop videos with rappers pouring this stuff on the ground while throwing dollars in the air. Don't worry, though, we didn't pay that. We got a deal; only $84.24 each. What a bargain.
Once you regain your breath-- lost either by laughing or screaming-- follow the jump for the full break-down of this service.
(photo by UnderPressure and originally posted on the North American GT-R Owners club forums)
Now that we've all had a good laugh (or cry), here's the breakdown.
Transmission & Diff fluid change:
8 Quarts (Our car took just under 8. They quote 10 quarts, but the ammount used is rarely, if ever, that high. Honest dealers will tell you what your car took. Dishonest ones can easily charge you for the full 10.) of GT-R Automatic Transmission Fluid @ $86.24/ea: $689.92
3 Quarts of GT-R specific differential oil @ $62.02/ea: $186.06
Labor: $500
Oil Change:
1 Oil Filter: $6.95 (finally, something normal)
6-quarts Mobil 1 Synthetic 0W40 @ 9.38/ea: $56.28
Labor: $150
New Engine Air Filters and in Cabin Microfilter: (We could have saved a few bucks and done this one ourselves, but the car was already in the shop.)
2 engine air filters @ $52.86/ea: $105.72
1 Micro Air filter: $53.38
Labor: $115.00
The remote entry was repaired at no cost.
Our service advisor also noted that our right-rear tire had lost a strip of rubber on the inner edge, metal was showing. We have a set of tires already orderd from Stokes Tire Pros in Santa Monica.
TOTALS
Labor: $817.50
Parts: 1,101.31
Tax: 90.86
Total charge: $2009.67
Days out of service (including estimates for the repair): 4
As easy and fun as this is going to be to skewer in the comments, here's a side challenge (which we've also got posted on a white board in our office): What could possibly be in the GT-R specific oil to make it cost $114 per quart?
Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 18,916 miles
2009 Nissan GT-R: Bargain Supercar Gets Expensive
By Mike Magrath | March 26, 2009
Comments (132)
Those of you 2009 Nissan GT-R haters out there, you're going to love this one. To the GT-R fanboys, well, sorry, this is going to be hard to make excuses for.
Last week we took our Nissan GT-R to Nissan of Santa Monica for routine service. We knew going in that this was going to be an expensive one. We'd been warned ahead of time that this service was not only an oil change (already expensive on these cars), but also a routine change of the differential and transaxle fluids.
Should be simple, right? Consider this: Automatic Transmission Fluid (GT-R specific) lists for $114.98 per quart. That's not a typo-- maybe an accounting error on Nissan's side, but not a typo. Forget Cristal we're going to start seeing hip-hop videos with rappers pouring this stuff on the ground while throwing dollars in the air. Don't worry, though, we didn't pay that. We got a deal; only $84.24 each. What a bargain.
Once you regain your breath-- lost either by laughing or screaming-- follow the jump for the full break-down of this service.
(photo by UnderPressure and originally posted on the North American GT-R Owners club forums)
Now that we've all had a good laugh (or cry), here's the breakdown.
Transmission & Diff fluid change:
8 Quarts (Our car took just under 8. They quote 10 quarts, but the ammount used is rarely, if ever, that high. Honest dealers will tell you what your car took. Dishonest ones can easily charge you for the full 10.) of GT-R Automatic Transmission Fluid @ $86.24/ea: $689.92
3 Quarts of GT-R specific differential oil @ $62.02/ea: $186.06
Labor: $500
Oil Change:
1 Oil Filter: $6.95 (finally, something normal)
6-quarts Mobil 1 Synthetic 0W40 @ 9.38/ea: $56.28
Labor: $150
New Engine Air Filters and in Cabin Microfilter: (We could have saved a few bucks and done this one ourselves, but the car was already in the shop.)
2 engine air filters @ $52.86/ea: $105.72
1 Micro Air filter: $53.38
Labor: $115.00
The remote entry was repaired at no cost.
Our service advisor also noted that our right-rear tire had lost a strip of rubber on the inner edge, metal was showing. We have a set of tires already orderd from Stokes Tire Pros in Santa Monica.
TOTALS
Labor: $817.50
Parts: 1,101.31
Tax: 90.86
Total charge: $2009.67
Days out of service (including estimates for the repair): 4
As easy and fun as this is going to be to skewer in the comments, here's a side challenge (which we've also got posted on a white board in our office): What could possibly be in the GT-R specific oil to make it cost $114 per quart?
Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 18,916 miles
Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
Dude, cmon man, no offense intended but...1970 called and they want you and this dated misconception back where it belongs.
The Viper and the Vette both do equally well on the straights and the twisties...look up the times for the Viper and the Vette at Nurburgring and compare to the GT-R, then get back with us.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
Dude, cmon man, no offense intended but...1970 called and they want you and this dated misconception back where it belongs.
The Viper and the Vette both do equally well on the straights and the twisties...look up the times for the Viper and the Vette at Nurburgring and compare to the GT-R, then get back with us.
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
Dude, cmon man, no offense intended but...1970 called and they want you and this dated misconception back where it belongs.
The Viper and the Vette both do equally well on the straights and the twisties...look up the times for the Viper and the Vette at Nurburgring and compare to the GT-R, then get back with us.
I'm just going to used 1 quick ref from the vid posted above and there were only 2 Japanese car (Lexus LFA and slightly older GT-R) and the rest were Europeans (I put Jax as European, sure you can call them American since owned by Ford). and there are some brand I don't know the origin like Zonda, Caterham and Noble. surely google will come up with something. There more list above/faster than new GT-R that wasn't shown.
There is a chance that American car listed above the new GT-R, who knows. Or, maybe other reference will show American cars come out on the top. If you can find that ref, please posted here. I genuinely like to see and compare where American cars stand and may change my views.
Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
NO MATTER WHAT the 'lap times' are though, I'd rather have an all out, top of the performance line, Viper or 'Vette due to better sounds (at least to me, especially the Vette), and MANY less electronic "nannies" on board to add weight/complications/things that can go bad.
Agreed in spirit.
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals. Lucky that I live in the Midwest, I can drift cheaply in the winter without paying a tons for tires.
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
Dude, cmon man, no offense intended but...1970 called and they want you and this dated misconception back where it belongs.
The Viper and the Vette both do equally well on the straights and the twisties...look up the times for the Viper and the Vette at Nurburgring and compare to the GT-R, then get back with us.
I'm just going to used 1 quick ref from the vid posted above and there were only 2 Japanese car (Lexus LFA and slightly older GT-R) and the rest were Europeans (I put Jax as European, sure you can call them American since owned by Ford). and there are some brand I don't know the origin like Zonda, Caterham and Noble. surely google will come up with something. There more list above/faster than new GT-R that wasn't shown.
There is a chance that American car listed above the new GT-R, who knows. Or, maybe other reference will show American cars come out on the top. If you can find that ref, please posted here. I genuinely like to see and compare where American cars stand and may change my views.
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Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals.
I would go even further than that: driving a car is not only about speed and high Gs.
Hence, why I would take a Viper over a GT-R.
Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
1. Look at my sig. Do you think this is news to me?
2. The Viper and the higher-end models of Corvette are among the fastest-cornering cars you can buy..
Viper and Vette would probably faster on straight line, but driving a car is not only a straight line. As for me the fun part is when you have to corner in high speed, generating as high G's possible while the tires squeals.
I would go even further than that: driving a car is not only about speed and high Gs.
Hence, why I would take a Viper over a GT-R.
Originally Posted By: AccordV6MN
If we look at American cars and European/Japanese cars, they both excel in different kind of tracks. American cars typically excel in 1/4 mile or a mile sprint. While the European and Japanese tend to excel where there are more cornering. It's just preference how you like to drive your cars, I supposed.
1. Look at my sig. Do you think this is news to me?
2. The Viper and the higher-end models of Corvette are among the fastest-cornering cars you can buy..
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