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Wise BITOGers,

I want to ask about a strange and scary thing I saw tonight.

A Kia Optima was sitting at the stoplight on the exit ramp I take to come home. When the light changed, the Kia sat there for several seconds and then began to move--very, very slowly. Putt...putt...putt...putt. It sounded like it was running on maybe two cylinders. I hadn't heard an engine that sick in a long time. As the Kia began to move, it was smoking from the tailpipe and from underneath the car. The smoke was gray and it didn't smell like burning motor oil, transmission fluid, or coolant. It smelled a little like burning plastic and a little like the odor of welding, if that makes any sense.

The Kia accelerated very slowly. I was still in second gear at the spot where I'm usually shifting my Tacoma into fourth. I kept my distance because the smoke coming from the Kia smelled so bad.

Then I noticed a few sparks coming from the Kia's tailpipe. Within half a mile, the sparks had increased in size and number until the car was spitting a steady stream of red-hot cinders out of the tailpipe. You've been behind a sanding truck after a snowstorm? That's what this looked like, except it was spraying cinders all over the road. Some of the cinders looked to be a good half an inch wide.

I dropped farther back. Then I noticed a glow underneath the car. Within a quarter of a mile, tops, the entire muffler and tailpipe were glowing cherry red, like the element on an electric stove. Meanwhile, the torrent of cinders kept spraying out of the tailpipe. The smoke had pretty much stopped by then.

I wondered if I should try to get the guy to pull over--he seemed oblivious to what was going on--but to tell the truth, I was afraid to get too close to the Kia. Red-hot metal plus hot cinders and sparks plus gas tank--not a combination I want to be near. There was a police car in the line of traffic behind me, so when I reached my road I turned off, figuring that the situation was best handled by law enforcement. When I left the main road, the Kia was still chugging along at about 35 mph with the entire exhaust system glowing like the elements in a toaster oven and red-hot cinders flying out of the tailpipe.

I have no idea what the final outcome was.

What can cause such a problem? My only guess, based largely on the sound of the car at the stoplight, is that at least half the cylinders were dead because of an ignition problem, and those cylinders were pumping unburned fuel into the exhaust manifold. The unburned fuel ignited in the catalytic converter and eventually produced enough heat to burn the guts out of the converter and the muffler.

I had never seen anything like it.

Any ideas as to the cause?
 
I've done it before on purpose in my friend's junkyard van. Raw fuel+catalytic convertor = a glowing exhaust system.

We could rev it to redline, shut the ignition off with the gas on the floor and it would chug (carbureted) until you let off the gas. The convertor would light up the street underneath the van every time.
 
He was just trying to get the afterburner lit off is all. Yeah, definitely sounds like misfire induced fuel loading into a hot exhaust system. Just the right conditions will melt the guts out of the whole system.

Joel
 
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wow that is some scary [censored]. because my pregnant wife drives a KIA optima. but at the same time i religiously service the car so i guess i should not be too worried. I would not be surprised if it was only running at 50% cylinders and dumping raw fuel in to the exhaust system, because when 4 out of 8 ignition wires on my 1968 Ford F250 (RIP) melted i had to slug the truck 45 miles back home, and let me tell you my headers were glowing red hot (something that the truck never did in it's 35 year life span). Like BuickGn said raw fuel+cat = glowing exhaust system
 
Could not have said it better myself. He/she/it seems to fit the bill.

Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
probably the same owner will complain that Kia cannot make a decent car because his cat went out.
 
Saw a similarly unreal sight in 1990 when a then-new-body style hyundai excel, couldn't have been a year old, had black smoke so furiously out the back it covered all the tail lights with soot. They were so dim they looked like candles.

I can guarantee the dashboard was lit up like a storm on that kia, blinking CEL and everything. They should make it so if you shut the car off in that condition X number of times it won't restart. (I can understand allowing one to make it to their destination/ safety when it first happens.)

Catco fires used to happen a lot more in the 70's/ 80's. IIRC ford escorts used to melt down regularly. Imagine a choked carb on high idle left to warm up for 15 minutes in the morning while the owner made coffee.
 
Originally Posted By: grease_monkey
wow that is some scary [censored]. because my pregnant wife drives a KIA optima. but at the same time i religiously service the car so i guess i should not be too worried.


Parts can fail regardless of maintenance. If your wife would continue to drive a car even when it is suffering from serious and extremely obvious problems, you should still be worried!
 
Originally Posted By: rpn453
Originally Posted By: grease_monkey
wow that is some scary [censored]. because my pregnant wife drives a KIA optima. but at the same time i religiously service the car so i guess i should not be too worried.


Parts can fail regardless of maintenance. If your wife would continue to drive a car even when it is suffering from serious and extremely obvious problems, you should still be worried!
well guess what she drives the durango now, and i drive her kia. I told her to switch with me.
 
I doubt that it's a Kia Optima-specific problem. It's probably just a routine failure followed by a lot of neglect.

My girlfriend knows nothing about cars and has no desire to learn. But at least I know that if her car starts doing something strange, she doesn't want to keep driving it!
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I can guarantee the dashboard was lit up like a storm on that kia, blinking CEL and everything.


Oh, Im sure the driver thought light will flash faster if it really means it.
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I did see the lit up cat once w/ a sputtering Quad 4 Grand Am. They pulled over before the spark show began though.

Another strange one was seeing the front of a 90's Town Car go up in flames, in an O'Reilly parts store driveway no less, becuase a front brake was dragging and they finally stopped driving it when it caught fire.
 
Originally Posted By: Challenger71
Could not have said it better myself. He/she/it seems to fit the bill.

Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
probably the same owner will complain that Kia cannot make a decent car because his cat went out.


the same customers come into my work with 26k on the factory fill after purchasing the maintainence plan in sales and throw a fit because we wont warranty their motor thats knocking like a drumset, with sludge dripping out the tailpipe.
 
Some people will keep driving as long as their vehicle will somewhat move under its own power.

About a month ago I saw a '95-'02 Range Rover billowing white and blue smoke down the road...so it was burning a lot of coolant and oil I guess. Going up hills you couldn't even see it there was so much smoke. It also had two nearly flat tires.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Some people will keep driving as long as their vehicle will somewhat move under its own power.

About a month ago I saw a '95-'02 Range Rover billowing white and blue smoke down the road...so it was burning a lot of coolant and oil I guess. Going up hills you couldn't even see it there was so much smoke. It also had two nearly flat tires.
More money than brains they must have.
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