Zinc pollution in parking lot

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Wife is doing some environmental cleanup. Catchbasins of storm water type thing.

Is a retail/ light industrial area. One sample was screaming with zinc from all the galvanized shopping carts banging together immediately above said basin.

I promised to ask my BITOG nerds of any sources of zinc from a car, be it off a galvanized exhaust, (coated) wheel weights, etc.
 
Lots of galvanized stuff out there. Fences, utility company bolts and parts - heck it's in earl! (ZDDP)

Shopping carts? Yeah I suppose.

I always wondered how deadly zinc is in the environment. Not THAT bad, IMHO.
 
They put it in sunscreen!

I'm not sure they want to do anything about it, but maybe if they establish a baseline and cut some other sort of runoff, a reduced metals level would be an indicator that they're doing it right.

They're also fighting to cut road salt, a cause I wholeheartedly support.
 
Stormwater engineer by trade here. Big sources are typically galvanized metals of any sort. Roofing materials may also contain zinc as an anti-algal function.

As for cars, a simple source of zinc is, wait for it, motor oil. Remember ZDDP, and how we've been so focused on the Phosphorous content and its affects on catylytic converters? The "Z" in ZDDP is "Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates". Leaking motor oil can show up as elevated zinc content (along with the hydrocarbon content...)
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino

I promised to ask my BITOG nerds of any sources of zinc from a car, be it off a galvanized exhaust, (coated) wheel weights, etc.


If you are looking for a source of zinc, consider many the multivitamin pills that include zinc as part of the recipe. :-)
 
zinc wheel weights ?

One or two of them in a sump of decaying vegetation could give high levels in a pool, but mean next to nothing when it rains.

Could even be seepage from a mineral deposit or something.

Once saw a sump that had pooled water that was leaching out of a granite wall...showed heavy metals including some real nasty stuff in stagnant water, that was a real non-issue when there was actually water flow.
 
I've always wondered about heavy metals sequestered inside of concrete.
For instance if the rocks and pebbles in a concrete block would eventually dissolve deposits of say Lead and leech them out into the surrounding environment. Being that even concrete is porous that some of it had to happen.
Rebar is known to rust inside concrete structures. Another reason why our infrastructure is crumbling.

The real problem is that Water stuff. H2O is just plain corrosive. They should ban it.
That would fix everything.
 
SuperDave456,
Concrete tends to only leach on the surface exposed to water, not from the bulk material. Materials used to manufacture concrete and geopolymers are considered "bound" to all extents and purposes, as the changes that they exert on passing or pooled water are tiny...a concrete fish tank isn't a good idea in the short term, but that's atypical of concrete use.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Rebar is known to rust inside concrete structures. Another reason why our infrastructure is crumbling.

The real problem is that Water stuff. H2O is just plain corrosive. They should ban it.
That would fix everything.


Check out some really old structures, versus some 30-40 year old ones.

Old concrete was milled very coarse due to prevailing technology, and just gets harder and stronger with time. The excess reactive material makes it self heal when crack develop (see old water towers and tanks with the white deposits sealing cracks).

Later, they discovered how to make cement much finer, and they achieved their 28 day structural ratings with much less active material...and that's about as strong as it ever gets.

These concretes aren't self healing to anywhere near the extent, and are more prone to carbonation, where CO2 from the air reacts with the concrete, and acidifies it...it progresses through the concrete cover, once it hits the rebar, the rebar rusts...rust takes up twice as much volume as steel, and then pops the remaining concrete off in a process of "spalling"...at which point it's often "goodnight nurse" for the structure....realkalisation involves coating the whole structure in paper towels soaked in Potassium Hydroxide, and steel mesh, then passing a current through that, the concrete and rebar to repair the concrete....often cheaper to demolish ad rebuild.

The Colluseum has been standing for thousands of years...don't expect any modern concrete structure to be there that long.
 
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
I promised to ask my BITOG nerds of any sources of zinc from a car, be it off a galvanized exhaust, (coated) wheel weights, etc.

If you are looking for a source of zinc, consider many the multivitamin pills that include zinc as part of the recipe. :-)
Yes indeedy. You also better have some trace amounts of the heavy metals in your system. This includes lead, cadmium and arsenic. This is why a small amount of sea water is beneficial every day. Water is the WORST compound encountered by man. Just check history inc. (but not limited to)the great flood. Sleep tight, the sky is not falling. John--Las Vegas.
 
Residential direct contact numbers in PA for zinc is really high at 66,000 mg/kg and soil to groundwater is 12,000 mg/kg. How high are those numbers in Maine?
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Lots of galvanized stuff out there. Fences, utility company bolts and parts - heck it's in earl! (ZDDP)

Shopping carts? Yeah I suppose.

I always wondered how deadly zinc is in the environment. Not THAT bad, IMHO.


It is generally good to amend soils with more zinc. It is an important trace mineral, and you'll see it in many garden fertilizers.

I don't know, but I would guess that zinc deficient soils are more common than zinc over abundant soils. Unless say a farmer has overused fertilizers or from some unusual circumstance.

Dangerous heavy metals like lead and mercury are ones where no addition is ever beneficial in all realistic scenarios (i.e. that the really scary toxic stuff).
 
When I worked at Chrysler in the '60's the car bodies went through the Bonderite 6 dip bath process (zinc phosphate and chromic acid amongst other stuff) and on to the Zinc-rich primer dip that immersed the body to about the belt line.
The body (after a little sanding) went from there to the prime booth and final spray.
I was a pipefitter at the time and watched as 45 gal drums or phosphate and primer were added regularly to the dips/baths.

The chromic acid (to etch the metal) was routinely dumped down the sewer in the early 60's ....and a few years later we would neutralize the acid before piping it to the sewage treatment plant.
A little chromic acid in your water supply won't hurt ya !! ...

Ahhh, the good old days !!
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You'll see a glimpse of a body dip here
 
Kind of off a tangent here, but doesn't aluminum get added in the sewage treatment process?

Also, since aluminum is already added (and I assume extracted and recovered again--i better hope so, for sake of the wildlife)... are metals or metallic compounds that somehow end up in sewage mostly recovered? I've wondered this for years since I don't understand this chemical wizardry that goes on at these plants.
 
Originally Posted By: Torino
Yes indeedy. You also better have some trace amounts of the heavy metals in your system. This includes lead, cadmium and arsenic. This is why a small amount of sea water is beneficial every day. Water is the WORST compound encountered by man. Just check history inc. (but not limited to)the great flood. Sleep tight, the sky is not falling. John--Las Vegas.


B.S. Zinc is an important nutrient. http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I think that you are thinking Alum as a flocculant


Yes, exactly, this is what's used in water treatment plants, and I assume (and hope!) they recover the alum from the treated water.
 
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