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Here's a reference: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...-apy-visa-card-zero-bank-account-required.htm

But the short version is:
-Shiny metal Visa debit card
-6% APY
-Instant P2P transfers like Venmo/Zelle/etc.

Now, before I continue, I will say I do use X/Twitter and Tesla so you could say I'm a "fanboy" but I do have some questions/concerns.

1. Like most "fintechs" or "neobanks" X Money itself is NOT FDIC insured, however the partner bank that provides the API that X Money is built on is FDIC insured. The underlying partner bank is "Cross River Bank" so if they go belly up, you're protected. But, there have been examples in the past of these modern "banks" that aren't really banks losing peoples money. I think Yotta is the most well-known example - they used a platform called Synapse that went under. Sure, the underlying bank, Evolve Bank & Trust, is legit (well, as legit as possible given that if you go to their website their Google Maps API key is disabled so it says FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES ONLY, but that's a different question), but long story short most Yotta customers never got their money back - some got nothing but some were offered pennies on the dollar. Now, I'm not saying that X Money is at risk of that, but it's a valid concern.

2. Customer service. I have no issue with Tesla itself, but Tesla Insurance is absolutely trash if you need any help from a real person. Yes the app is great and for simple claims it's theoretically very convenient. But if anything out of the well-defined workflow happens (like if your Tesla is in the shop because someone crashes into it and someone bumps into your Eneterprise rental car provided by their insurance) it's a huge hassle. I ended up just paying Enterprise out of pocket because it was only $75 more than my deductible and Tesla Insurance closed the claim because the three different people over there that my claim was bounced around with all either said it's not their department or never replied to contact from me. Also, I have a buddy who relies on Starlink because he lives in the middle of nowhere and while it generally works OK and if Grok understands your support query your issue is taken care of easily and instantly, if you have a more complex problem, it takes days to get even an initial response. Sure, it's not like Comcast customer service is any good either, but at least you can get someone on the phone or go yell at clouds in the parking lot of your local Xfinity store if you need to.

3. What if your X account gets banned? The article I linked to brings this up. In the traditional banking world, unless you take a dump in the lobby of your local branch, you're probably not randomly going to get banned. Like, unless you are extremely abusive to their employees or commit a crime at their location, you're probably going to be a customer as long as you want to be. With a bank that's integrated with a social media platform, well, it's a social media platform. Accounts are compromised and banned all the time. Not singling out X/Twitter here as this is a concern across all such platforms. But if someone doesn't like what you post and things go south, what happens to the money in your account? Even if they close the account gracefully and send you a check, to the average person (including myself) not getting prompt access to your regular paycheck could be a BIG problem.

Anyone else interested in this thing, or use any other neobank? Personally I've always used "real" banks/credit unions.
 
Here's a reference: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...-apy-visa-card-zero-bank-account-required.htm

But the short version is:
-Shiny metal Visa debit card
-6% APY
-Instant P2P transfers like Venmo/Zelle/etc.

Now, before I continue, I will say I do use X/Twitter and Tesla so you could say I'm a "fanboy" but I do have some questions/concerns.

1. Like most "fintechs" or "neobanks" X Money itself is NOT FDIC insured, however the partner bank that provides the API that X Money is built on is FDIC insured. The underlying partner bank is "Cross River Bank" so if they go belly up, you're protected. But, there have been examples in the past of these modern "banks" that aren't really banks losing peoples money. I think Yotta is the most well-known example - they used a platform called Synapse that went under. Sure, the underlying bank, Evolve Bank & Trust, is legit (well, as legit as possible given that if you go to their website their Google Maps API key is disabled so it says FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES ONLY, but that's a different question), but long story short most Yotta customers never got their money back - some got nothing but some were offered pennies on the dollar. Now, I'm not saying that X Money is at risk of that, but it's a valid concern.

2. Customer service. I have no issue with Tesla itself, but Tesla Insurance is absolutely trash if you need any help from a real person. Yes the app is great and for simple claims it's theoretically very convenient. But if anything out of the well-defined workflow happens (like if your Tesla is in the shop because someone crashes into it and someone bumps into your Eneterprise rental car provided by their insurance) it's a huge hassle. I ended up just paying Enterprise out of pocket because it was only $75 more than my deductible and Tesla Insurance closed the claim because the three different people over there that my claim was bounced around with all either said it's not their department or never replied to contact from me. Also, I have a buddy who relies on Starlink because he lives in the middle of nowhere and while it generally works OK and if Grok understands your support query your issue is taken care of easily and instantly, if you have a more complex problem, it takes days to get even an initial response. Sure, it's not like Comcast customer service is any good either, but at least you can get someone on the phone or go yell at clouds in the parking lot of your local Xfinity store if you need to.

3. What if your X account gets banned? The article I linked to brings this up. In the traditional banking world, unless you take a dump in the lobby of your local branch, you're probably not randomly going to get banned. Like, unless you are extremely abusive to their employees or commit a crime at their location, you're probably going to be a customer as long as you want to be. With a bank that's integrated with a social media platform, well, it's a social media platform. Accounts are compromised and banned all the time. Not singling out X/Twitter here as this is a concern across all such platforms. But if someone doesn't like what you post and things go south, what happens to the money in your account? Even if they close the account gracefully and send you a check, to the average person (including myself) not getting prompt access to your regular paycheck could be a BIG problem.

Anyone else interested in this thing, or use any other neobank? Personally I've always used "real" banks/credit unions.
All good considerations. There have been people and journalists who have had their X accounts locked because they either A) asked questions Musk didn't like or posted stuff he doesn't like.
 
I am more open minded to alternative / tech transactional engines (in moderation :ROFLMAO: )

How long does the 6% last? Fed funds aka the overnight rate for banks is 3.75%. No way there paying you 6% to borrow from you - which is what there doing - without risk or a catch. Or its a scam. Just the way banking works.
 
I remember back in the early days of the interwebs, online (only) banks were a thing. I signed up with one, I think it was called USA Bankshares or something like that--we got 5% interest on our checking account. That was evidently unsustainable, and these banks went belly up. I don't recall what happened with that bank, but I didn't lose a cent. As you've indicated, FDIC does mean something.

I'd be willing to do business with a fintech, at least for checking, even if it wasn't FDIC-insured. You could always simply link a savings account in a bank that is, and quite frankly I just don't keep enough in my checking to lose sleep over it. If I'm consistently having money worth losing sleep over, left over at the end of the month it gets moved to savings.

As far as what happens if you are banned from X, that's a very good question. Do they have a policy about this somewhere? Or do they even say you don't need an X account to sign up?
 
I have zero problem with Musk, but this just seems unsustainable. 6% sounds juicy? Just buy BoA preferred or the like. No hassle at all.

As far as social media and accounts, well FB and others have banned people/accounts and deleted stuff for not towing the woke line. And that is their business. Mixing finances in with this garbage seems silly.
 
I have zero problem with Musk, but this just seems unsustainable. 6% sounds juicy? Just buy BoA preferred or the like. No hassle at all.

As far as social media and accounts, well FB and others have banned people/accounts and deleted stuff for not towing the woke line. And that is their business. Mixing finances in with this garbage seems silly.
I suspect the 6% is promotional and it'll eventually go down to 3%
 
I have zero problem with Musk, but this just seems unsustainable. 6% sounds juicy? Just buy BoA preferred or the like. No hassle at all.

As far as social media and accounts, well FB and others have banned people/accounts and deleted stuff for not towing the woke line. And that is their business. Mixing finances in with this garbage seems silly.
Your way more likely to get banned from BoA for all your risque posts on BITOG. :rolleyes:

Honestly everyone should have a relationship and cash at more than one bank. Your accounts could easily be locked by mistake or fraud / whatever and it happens to people all the time.
 
Dang might as well start rolling out social scores too.
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I honestly like the idea of fintech in general. Whether this or that one is good or not, who knows.

However local banks aren't what they once were. They mostly don't want Joe Public's $2000 deposit. They can borrow from the fed in unlimited amounts for low rates, no FDIC fees, no customer service to provide, so your deposits aren't interesting to them anymore.

Most people barely have enough to deposit in the bank anyway - it comes and it goes. Fintech makes perfect sense.

I think the ultimate solution will be fintech with your deposits backed by something like stablecoins making FDIC not required. The fintech will make money on fees - from the depositors, vendors, selling your private information to whomever which most people don't care about, etc.
 
Read the article linked to. Since the idea of FDIC was brought up, here is a quote from the article. Its not going to be a problem, and they are giving virtually (my term), bonus coverage above the $250,000 that the FDIC itself actually gives:

The FDIC structure has two tiers. Standard X Money deposits are held by Cross River Bank, an FDIC member institution based in Fort Lee, New Jersey, and insured up to $250,000 per depositor under standard federal deposit insurance. Eligible Premium+ subscribers can access the X Cash Sweep Program, which extends coverage to $10 million by automatically distributing deposits across a network of multiple FDIC-member partner banks, keeping each portion below the per-bank insurance ceiling. This is a standard but technically sophisticated arrangement: behind a single account interface, multiple distinct banking relationships exist simultaneously, coordinated by X's infrastructure.
 
The 6% APY is the only thing that stands out to me, which as others have said will dry up.

Everything else benefit wise I would look elsewhere or isn't enough value to me.
 
6% sounds good to me so I am interested of course. Best online bank I can do is 4.01 to 4.20
What is the catch? I dont see one. If you read the OP link.

"The answer, according to fintech analysts, is that the 6% APY functions primarily as a customer acquisition cost. Traditional fintech companies spend heavily on marketing and incentives to attract deposits. X Money has approximately 570 million monthly active users already inside the platform — which means it can offer a premium yield as a deposit incentive without incurring the advertising and acquisition costs that make such rates unsustainable for most standalone fintechs. The embedded finance model — Cross River Bank as the regulated backend, X as the near-zero-cost distribution channel — is what makes the math plausible, at least in the short term."

By the way, Cross River Bank is the bank that holds your deposits and your money is fully insured by the FDIC
I mean, its all in the OP post https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...-apy-visa-card-zero-bank-account-required.htm

(no politics and not a political statement, just fact, some big states it is not allowed, politicians against it so far) Enough said, sounds good to me.

BTW- "The critical structural difference is FDIC insurance. PayPal and Venmo do not offer FDIC insurance on stored balances, leaving users exposed to platform-level insolvency risk. Cash App similarly does not hold balances in FDIC-insured bank accounts unless users specifically opt into its savings feature. X Money's deposit arrangement with Cross River Bank provides FDIC coverage on all balances by default, which puts it structurally closer to a bank savings product than to a peer-to-peer payment wallet. The 6% APY, if maintained at its stated terms, would also exceed anything Venmo or Cash App offer on idle balances.
 
With the demographics of BITOG "fintech" should be defined/explained in the first sentence for everyone else but the 6 members who embrace this stuff. First I've ever seen the word which should make it obvious where I stand on whatever it is. IMO it's bad enough that if the internet goes down our (collective) funds are untouchable but to link that reality somehow with social media platforms is next level foolish for the reasons the OP lists. But what do I know...
 
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