Would You Purchase GM Stock

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I think this could be a great time to buy GM. I think the pressure they are under at this moment might encourage them to get their heads out of their arses and return the company to some sort of profit.
I think I would wait for rock bottom and then buy.....if I had the money anyway.
 
I looked at all of the current and upcoming GM models. I like the new Cadilac STS, but it is out of my pric range. What is interesting, is that almost all of the cars, except for the Caddies, come with 4 speed automatic transmissions. GM is making a big deal about the DOD (Displacement On Demand) engine technology, and putting larger engines in some of the models. However, I would much rather have a 5 or 6 speed transmission. Seems like GM has missed another "fad". They were slow to get onboard with disk brakes, fuel injection, OHC/DOHC, and now 5+ speed transmissions.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with putting a 3.8 Litre V6 in a Buick LeSabre for those who are not enthusiasts. It is affordable, reliable, and fuel efficient. But using the same platform, with only costmetic changes for decades, across the board, just doesn't cut it for me. There will be a new Grand Prix model out this fall with a V8. That is great, but it will still have a 4 speed transmission. There will also be (or possibly is) a Northstar powered Bonneville. However, the same old 4 speed transmission. Very similar things in the Chevy and Buick camps. New styling, bigger engines, but same chasis and 4 speed transmission.

I think the crux of the problem is that GM is just out of touch with many of the younger drivers. I am the exact demographic that they are losing to the imports. When I was a kid, the Buick Regal and Olds Cutlas were sporty and stylish cars, I always thought that when I was older I would get one of these two cars. Well, I am older, and can afford a nice car, but Olds is now gone, and Buick no longer makes the Regal. Other than the STS, I can't find a GM car that interests me.

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Another customer desire that GM seems to have missed severly is AWD in cars. They underestimated this speciality which likely can add some profit into their coffers. At the very least get some new buyers into the showroom.

MB & BMW got wise to this when they lost sales to Subaru (Outback's) in the winter prone areas.

That all being said I would likely purchase the stock as it will only increase. GM is not going away.
 
What if GM spun off the different brands, like it did Delphi? Consider the following:

  • GMC (Powertrain, trucks, commerical, misc).
  • Cadilac
  • Buick, Pontiac, Chevy (chevy trucks would be rebadged GMC products).
  • Saturn, Saab, Vauxhal, etc..

Would this then allow for new UAW contracts?

Just food for thought.





Possibly GM Powertrain, Cadilac, Buick, Pontiac, and Chevy as one Would that give the different brands the legal right to break the UAW contracts?
 
I don't know what kind of leagl wrangling they would have to do. It seems that any commitments made by the parent company would have to be taken up by whoever inherents the business.

In other words, it's a deep hole.
 
That all being said I would likely purchase the stock as it will only increase. GM is not going away. [/QB][/QUOTE]


rjundi,
How can you say this???
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GM posted a 1.1 billion dollar loss for the quarter! Thats 1,100,000,000.00 dollars on a stock thats trading what at $26 a share. I would call that a very high risk! On top of that the stock is technical screwed!!! You would need massive influx of cash over a sustained period to move the technicals in a positive direction. The problem is you would probably have the same amount bailing in strength.
 
The place to be right now, I believe, is in the bonds.

4-year 5.2% GMAC bonds are pricing out for me at 86 cents on the dollar or less. Add in 5.2% coupons, and you are looking at a yield to maturity of 9.58%.

The minute GMAC gets spun off of GM, the bonds should be upgraded to at least an investment grade by the bond raters, as GMAC itself is a solid banking business. With someone like this new investor in the picture, I see the scenario as actually quite likely.

I somehow highly doubt that actual GM stock + dividend could sustain anywhere near a 9.6% annualized increase in the next 4 years. If you want to hedge that possibility, I am sure you could pick up $46 2008/2009 call options for pretty cheap right now.
 
If 2033 is trading at 85 cents/dollar, then the shorter-term holders probably don't have a lot to worry about.

Its hard to have a lot of sympathy for someone who invested their entire life savings into one, undiversified asset. It would be like selling the farm and investing in Berkshire Hathaway -- yeah Warren Buffet has done good over the years, but what happens when he's gone?
 
This morning on Bloomberg;

Still Think Ford, General Motors Can't Go Bust?: Mark Gilbert

May 6 (Bloomberg) -- Anyone who says it's unthinkable that either General Motors Corp. or Ford Motor Co. might seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection should call Francisco Landaez.

After working 24 years at Petroleos de Venezuela SA, Landaez lost his job and decided to put his savings in ``something secure.'' He invested about $280,000 in General Motors bonds and shares.

``I made an analysis about a year ago, asking myself what company is it almost impossible to see going bankrupt,'' Landaez, 50, said in a telephone interview from his home in Caracas. ``I decided to put my money into General Motors. When I looked at my account a month ago, it was down almost 30 percent.''

Landaez knows he's in for another nasty shock next time he checks his investment. Yesterday, Standard & Poor's analyst Scott Sprinzen slashed his credit rating of General Motors to junk with a two-step cut that puts the world's biggest automaker at BB. Nine minutes later, he whacked Ford to junk as well, with a BB+ grade.

For good measure, Sprinzen strapped a ``negative'' outlook to his assessments of both companies, meaning their ratings are more likely to decline further than recover.

Many investors aren't allowed to own securities with such low grades. And with GM's 8.375 percent bonds repayable in 2033 trading at about 74 cents on the dollar, while Ford's 7 percent 2013 notes are worth about 90.5 cents, anyone who hasn't already bailed out of the securities stands to lose a chunk of change.

Interesting Dilemma

Speaking of losing money, what was Kirk Kerkorian thinking when he offered earlier this week to buy 28 million GM shares at $31 each, adding to the 22 million shares he already owns via his Tracinda Corp. investment company?

General Motors stock has lost 70 percent of its value in the past five years.

The junk ratings pose an interesting dilemma for Lehman Brothers Inc., which says about 90 percent of institutional investors use its bond indexes to guide their investment decisions. Under the existing criteria, borrowers drop into the high-yield index, out of the investment-grade category, when either S&P or Moody's Investors Service judges them to be junk.

Starting July 1, however, the index rules change to include Fitch Ratings, taking the middle assessment. So provided the $375 billion of combined debt from Ford and General Motors doesn't get cut at Moody's or Fitch, investors face the unprecedented prospect of the bonds dropping out of the investment-grade indexes this week, only to leap straight back in again in less than two months.

Swift Collapse

The collapse in creditworthiness of the two biggest U.S. automakers has been swift. As recently as January, UBS AG's London- based credit analyst Juan Carrion was telling investors ``we do not see any negative rating action for either Ford or General Motors in 2005.''

It now costs about $865,000 per year to insure $10 million of GM debt for five years by using credit derivatives, up from about $213,000 at the start of the year. Insurance on Ford debt costs about $690,000, up from $173,000. The higher the cost of insurance, the less certain investors are that their debts will get repaid.

GM owes its bondholders about $113 billion, of which almost $15 billion falls due this year with an additional $27 billion scheduled for repayment next year. Bond investors have lent $97 billion to Ford, with $12 billion repayable this year and almost $20 billion in 2006.

Where the Buck Stops

S&P highlighted its concern that both companies are too reliant on sport utility vehicles, which are likely to be less profitable in coming years. And while Sprinzen said in a television interview he's ``not pointing to management,'' chief executives Rick Wagoner at GM and William Clay Ford Jr. at Ford should be thinking about handing back the keys to the chief executive suites.

``The downgrade to non-investment grade reflects our conclusion that management's strategies may be ineffective in addressing GM's competitive advantages,'' S&P said in the statement explaining its rating cut. On Ford, the rating company said there's ``skepticism about whether management's strategies will be sufficient to counteract mounting competitive challenges.'' In other words, the guys in charge aren't able to fix the problems.

``We will take whatever measures are necessary, and we will succeed,'' Ford Jr. wrote in a letter to his employees yesterday, following the rating cuts.

Too Big to Fail?

Unfortunately, those measures may have to include seeking bankruptcy protection from creditors while Ford and GM come up with reorganization plans to address falling market share and crippling health care and pension costs. If it's good enough for the airline companies, there's no reason to rule it out for the automakers. There's no such thing as ``too big to fail,'' however tragic bankruptcy would be.

Landaez in Caracas says he has decided to stick with his GM investment for now, figuring that it's not worth taking the hit and praying that General Motors doesn't go bankrupt before it repays his bonds, which come due in 2014.

``It's pretty scary,'' says Landaez. ``The bottom line is, there's nothing secure in this world any more.''


To contact the writer of this column:
Mark Gilbert in London at [email protected].
Last Updated: May 5, 2005 19:20 EDT
 
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