Would you prefer range or super fast charging?

[JHZR2]

I always stop every 2 hours driving regardless. If I can stop for half an hour and top up with an additional 150-200miles then I see no issue there.

That’s a good point. It’s not healthy to sit too long, so two hours or thereabouts is typically my stop point.

That said, it is a major inconvenience and huge assumption that when one stops, they’ll find a good charger. So it’s important to have the intrinsic range to begin with.

 

[JHZR2]

What I have found is this: People who do not have an EV think range is #1, by far. People who own an EV, think that charging speed is #1, by far, so long as the range isn't just a complete joke like the MX30's 100 miles or something.

That’s a good point.

We rented a Tesla some weeks back and had to charge. What a pain at a 150kW site. I totally understand why Tesla includes games on their touch screen. Sitting there with kids wasn’t great, simply because we were on a trip and we all wanted to be where we were going and not at the charger, after the first few minutes. Every car had someone sitting there twiddling their thumbs despite being at a supermarket site.

Now, when in Europe we had a PHEV, and charged it daily, but we then optimized our use of the battery (good for about 55km), and always had our major range from the gas tank. PHEV is definitely best, even if more complex.

 

[pezzy84]

Give me reliable fast charging with decent range. I have not done a long multi-stop charging trip with the ID.4 yet but the charger hopping seems more up my alley, we take 15-20 min breaks regularly on road trips so 30 mins at a charger is no problem.

 

[billt460]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ares-cautionary-tale-15-hours-drive-178-miles

 

[JeffKeryk]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ares-cautionary-tale-15-hours-drive-178-miles

People ask me about our car all the time. The 1st thing I ask them is, "How ya gonna charge?"
I also let them know they need to know if there is room for a new dedicated line in their service panel. It cost me $600 all in to add the NEMA 14-50 in the garage. And I had an upgraded service installed years ago.

Charging issues are the #1 reason people dump their EV and go back to ICE. The majority of these people are apartment dwellers; some only have street parking. Not good...

 

[pezzy84]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ares-cautionary-tale-15-hours-drive-178-miles

The two people interviewed seem more like user error or lack of problem solving skills. 15 hours to go 178 miles? Even in the shortest range (149 mile) Leaf this is pretty much impossible unless you are just plain stupid, the picture in the article is of a new plus range model that is rated at 215 miles range.

The article lacks so much supporting information on what went wrong with the charging sessions.

 

[billt460]

The two people interviewed seem more like user error or lack of problem solving skills. 15 hours to go 178 miles? Even in the shortest range (149 mile) Leaf this is pretty much impossible unless you are just plain stupid, the picture in the article is of a new plus range model that is rated at 215 miles range.

The article lacks so much supporting information on what went wrong with the charging sessions.

Instead of browbeating the people who suffered through the experience, what I took out of the article was this. Like so many claims that revolve around EV's these days, a lot of these so called "Superchargers" don't live up to anywhere near their actual output. And as a direct result, charging takes a LOT longer than it should. Which racks up a lot of additional hours spent sitting and waiting, that you had planned on traveling.

"The fastest chargers can pump out up to 350. Our charger in Meridian, [Mississippi] claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20."

So.... You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out that it's pretty hard to maintain ANY type of itinerary when the charger you had planned on using, only puts out less than 6% of what it's advertised to.

And somehow, with all the hype that's been pumped into the whole EV "experience" recently, I doubt that's an isolated case. And most likely the norm.

Especially if these charging stations are seeing any type of high volume usage. And you can't very well blame the false advertising on the people who end up getting stuck having to use these things. Or have the audacity to call them, "stupid".

 

[billt460]

The article lacks so much supporting information on what went wrong with the charging sessions.

How much "support information" do you need? The fact is these people found out the hard way, these chargers don't put out anywhere near their advertised output. Thereby delaying charging for hours, that should have taken just minutes.

 

[Skippy722]

Instead of browbeating the people who suffered through the experience, what I took out of the article was this. Like so many claims that revolve around EV's these days, a lot of these so called "Superchargers" don't live up to anywhere near their actual output. And as a direct result, charging takes a LOT longer than it should. Which racks up a lot of additional hours spent sitting and waiting, that you had planned on traveling.

"The fastest chargers can pump out up to 350. Our charger in Meridian, [Mississippi] claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20."

So.... You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out that it's pretty hard to maintain ANY type of itinerary when the charger you had planned on using, only puts out less than 6% of what it's advertised to.

And somehow, with all the hype that's been pumped into the whole EV "experience" recently, I doubt that's an isolated case. And most likely the norm.

Especially if these charging stations are seeing any type of high volume usage. And you can't very well blame the false advertising on the people who end up getting stuck having to use these things. Or have the audacity to call them, "stupid".

From what I can find, the fastest charger in Meridian is a Tesla Supercharger at 150kW, everything else is 20kW or 10kW. They weren’t getting only 6% of the advertised rate, they were getting exactly what was offered, it just wasn’t fast charging.

 

[billt460]

From what I can find, the fastest charger in Meridian is a Tesla Supercharger at 150kW, everything else is 20kW or 10kW. They weren’t getting only 6% of the advertised rate, they were getting exactly what was offered, it just wasn’t fast charging.

So they're all lying?

 

[Skippy722]

So they're all lying?

I don’t think they’re lying, I think they’re misinformed. O’Hashi even admits in that article to that, "and I think people like myself, we go into it a bit blindly." Same thing in my area, one Tesla Supercharger and a scattering of 10kw or less chargers, if I bought anything but a Tesla I’d have no one to blame but myself.

 

[billt460]

I don’t think they’re lying, I think they’re misinformed. O’Hashi even admits in that article to that, "and I think people like myself, we go into it a bit blindly." Same thing in my area, one Tesla Supercharger and a scattering of 10kw or less chargers, if I bought anything but a Tesla I’d have no one to blame but myself.

I think you're trying to read into this what isn't there. And in the process ignoring what is. The quote couldn't have been any simpler, or any clearer.

"OUR CHARGER in Meridian Mississippi claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20".

"OUR CHARGER"...... As in the one they used.

They were getting exactly less than 6% of what was advertised. (20 as opposed to 350). And again, I highly doubt this is just one isolated case.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think you're trying to read into this what isn't there. And in the process ignoring what is. The quote couldn't have been any simpler, or any clearer.

"OUR CHARGER in Meridian Mississippi claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20".

"OUR CHARGER"...... As in the one they used.

They were getting exactly less than 6% of what was advertised. (20 as opposed to 350). And again, I highly doubt this is just one isolated case.

This is a list of chargers in Meridian. I think you are misreading Foxnews very ambiguous line.
"To be considered ‘fast,’ a charger must be capable of about 24 kW. The fastest chargers can pump out up to 350. Our charger in Meridian, [Mississippi] claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20."

What they are saying is their 24 kw charger gave them 20 kw. The “standard” they refer to is 24kw. Oh and by the way the real fast chargers go up to 350 kw. The bit about 350 kw does not in any way imply they used one, because in Meridian there ain’t one.

 

[Skippy722]

I think you're trying to read into this what isn't there. And in the process ignoring what is. The quote couldn't have been any simpler, or any clearer.

"OUR CHARGER in Meridian Mississippi claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20".

"OUR CHARGER"...... As in the one they used.

They were getting exactly less than 6% of what was advertised. (20 as opposed to 350). And again, I highly doubt this is just one isolated case.

I found her actual article. The “fast” charger she stopped at was Kia Meridian, rated at 24W and usually sits at 19kW, so it’s actually 79.2%.

 

[sk_pete]

If you considered an electric vehicle would you prefer longer range on a charge or the ability to quick charge in say 10 minutes?

I think I still like longer range.

If you are rich, you can have both.