Would you buy/use power station ash ?

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Since moving on from being in turbines, I'm at the other aspects of power station life, the feeding and diapering of the power stations, getting coal in, and removing the ash.

One of the interesting parts of the job is trying to find more applications for the stuff.

For those that are unaware, power station ash has some pozzolanic qualities (cementitious), and is mixed to greater or lesser extent, as an environmentally friendly "cement extender", however making concrete more resistant to chemical attack and carbonation.

However, it's use is pretty much single stream...through the cement companies, and into concrete and not much else. Scale of industry has seen to that, in that it's the quickest way to move reasonable volumes.

Hasn't always been that way, this pair of conjoined houses here in town was built, along with dozens of clones from a series of pre-fabbed "blinds", with coal ash and hydrated lime rammed into the space, forming walls...sort of a super strength rammed earth construction.

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Other backyards uses used things like my back steps, shown below, where you can clearly see the blast furnace slag peeking through the concrete surface.

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These were all reasonably plentiful "wastes" from local industry 50 years ago, and were part of common construction in the district, as we had coal mines, power stations, steam trains, blast furnaces etc.

Now, with power generation centralised, there's not much "scavenging" going on for these products, as they aren't scattered around like the old days.

My question is, would you guys consider buying ash for home use ?

Houses down here are increasingly being made from clay, energy intensive bricks, then cement rendered (bagged) to give it a monolithic look...why not make them monolithically in the first place (first example above), or for construction purposes, using ash based bricks, and then bagging them ?

Would you buy/build with power station ash ?

Why/why not ?

Ash and lime make a superb sub-base for paving blocks, and can be made to have permiabilities that rival clay.

Would you buy bags of the stuff alongside the sand, cement, mortar at your local hardware/landscaping store if there were how to's on how to use it ?
 
Our ash gets taken back to the open cast mine and fills up the holes - we don't want huge scars on our landscape. There have been mines all over this area, and it's hard to see where they've been.
 
We do that too, just about to start rehabilitating another one in the next few months
 
"Would you buy bags of the stuff alongside the sand, cement, mortar at your local hardware/landscaping store if there were how to's on how to use it ?"

Yes, But Ready Mix (from a Truck) poured or pumped is the way to go if I require more than a yard or so.

Last year we visited a Buddhist Temple in Hawaii (they build these things to last), normally the temple would have been built on Bed rock, but being Hawaii, the Bed Rock lacked sufficient strength. So, apparently a strong footing was first poured using Concrete with Fly Ash added.

How would this standup in a climate where Freezing may occur?
 
I'm pretty sure that Texas uses Fly Ash in 100% of its highways.

Supposedly it makes them super tough and denser, it fills in microscopic holes between the normal concrete ingredients, so that water cannot get in as fast and corrode the steel rebar. From what I am told it makes a road last longer and cuts down on repair costs.

I imagine that more of this stuff will become locally available as our national infrastructure crumbles.
All of our infrastructure was built to last 50 years, and it has been 50+ years.
Patchwork and bandages work for only so long. Eventually you have to start with something new.
When you do start over, you do the research as to what lasts the longest and cuts down on repairs. Fly Ash has gotta be used then.

To answer your question. Yes.
I would pay a premium to have this to be used in everything from Bricks to Stepping Stones.

I'm not looking for lightweight. I'm looking for TOUGH in most of my projects.
 
Fly ash concrete are less permeable than regular, so I doubt there'd be a problem.
 
Yup flyash is mostly used in concrete... I think from building materials 101 it extends the setting time and therefore workability of the concrete because of the spherical particles formed in the process of it's "manufacture".

If you can compact flyash and the compacted density is low, it can help building highway embankments on soft soils like on the eastern seaboard of Aus - it reduces settlement. Haven't bothered with the details though.


http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pavement/recycling/fach06.cfm

http://parisaramahiti.kar.nic.in/11.Fly ash 2007-01.pdf
 
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When I was in Upstate NY in the 1990s they added cinders to the sand/salt for ice/snow treatment. IDK how effective they were but they were black in color so at least the sun heated them up a little.
 
Some years ago, people in SW Louisiana and SE Texas used this as a driveway filler for those that did not have concrete driveways. I have seen it applied in a few different ways, (mixing with some concrete etc.) and it made a reasonably inexpensive road base that lasted for many years.

It was delivered by the dump truck load at a friend's house to create a 200 yard driveway. He lived in the country far off the main road and did not want to pay for all of that concrete. This was done in the mid-1980's and it is still rock solid (no pun intended) today.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
When I was in Upstate NY in the 1990s they added cinders to the sand/salt for ice/snow treatment. IDK how effective they were but they were black in color so at least the sun heated them up a little.


I have never found a better anti-skid material to put on ice than coal ash.
 
As someone who spent years in a building products company, I knowthat we looked at some of these ash residues and found them in some cases to be radioactive enough that we decided not to use them. We used Perlite for its whiteness and low density but were looking fo a less expensive filler in some items.
 
How does that compare to things like granite used for benchtops indoors ?

Ash is the mineral content of the coal, so has some semblance to the minerals around it, similar to quarried virgin materials.

But for paths, bricks, etc. should not really be an issue.
 
There are some soil remediation techniques that involve mixing fly ash into the soil, treating it with moisture (or drying it) and then compacting it. It creates a stiffer soil subgrade in areas where stability of the existing soils was a problem. Similar to this is lime-stabilization, but if I understand it correctly the lime comes from the same place as the ash (IE, power plants) except its much more finely processed.
 
Shannow - If you have not already, research Green or Sustainable Supply Chain. A couple of sites you might start with are Triple Pundit, and Two Degrees. I know they have Supply Chain articles, but I haven't looked to see if they have forums. If you get nowhere, let me know, I may be able to come up with better answers, given a bit of time.
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
As someone who spent years in a building products company, I knowthat we looked at some of these ash residues and found them in some cases to be radioactive enough that we decided not to use them. We used Perlite for its whiteness and low density but were looking fo a less expensive filler in some items.

Roger on the glow in the dark factor.
 
Remember what happened with the Chinese drywall that was made with improperly treated fly ash? In humid climates, such as Florida's, the water vapor in the air turned the sulfur compounds in the ash into mild sulfuric acid vapor which led to corrosion and respiratory issues in many houses built during the housing boom. Does this acidity affect the use of fly ash in concrete?
 
In the mountains of PA, they put cinders on the road when snowing. I always figured it came from power plants.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Does this acidity affect the use of fly ash in concrete?


The majority of ashes are alkaline, and a small number are acidic (those at my power stations are acidic).

Concrete is so alkaline that the surface acids make little difference.
 
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