Would I be a fool to test drive this 2013 BMW?

Yes and No...I'll explain why.

If you have never driven a BMW (or similar German vehicle) before, you owe yourself the experience of savoring the incomparable feeling of operating a vehicle that has a singular focus...that of being a machine engineered to fulfill the driver's tactile link to the road. It will feel like a mythical Siren calling you to its clutches; however, you will be doomed if you fall prey to its irresistible allure. A wise man once told me: "If you have to scratch the itch of desiring a European vehicle, just lease one for two years to get it out of your system". Wiser words have never been spoken.

Like dating a supermodel, the fun comes with a high maintenance price tag.
OK, can you tell us what issues you had with the BMW(s) you have owned?
 
To give you an idea of repair cost on a BMW, I recently had to have a driver's side headlight housing replaced on my 2016 535d. My trusted independent BMW mechanic let me bring my own part from FCP Euro (an exception to his normal rule), and the repair was $1600 parts and labor. Had front brakes, including new OEM rotors, done by the same shop in 2024 and the total, parts & labor was $1024. I haven't read great things about the Xdrive system, but then again, the negative stories get all the internet attention. Nobody is going to make a post about their Xdrive system with high miles and no problems. Bottom line, it won't be a Honda or Toyota, maintenance cost wise.
And after you install that headlight you have to tell the sam or whatever they call it that it has a new light before it will work. And it might still throw a code.
 
Tell me about it- I've owned 12 BMWs, a Volvo 740 Turbo, a Ford Scorpio, and a Mercedes AMG C43. I'm on my third Chapter 7 and I have 4 credit cards pegged at their credit limits. And did I mention that I'm living in a cardboard box under an interstate overpass?
Oh? I didn't know you were one of our customers! LoL... Just had a girl get approved for snap credit with a 136% interest rate .
 
And after you install that headlight you have to tell the sam or whatever they call it that it has a new light before it will work. And it might still throw a code.
My shop was able to re-use all the electronics from my old headlight, just had to replace the cracked housing, so not sure if any programming was required.
 
328xi, M5 (neighbor's), 325i (son's)

Cooling systems, oil leaks, underhood and interior plastics, window regulators, fuel pump, speedometer/electrical, dual mass clutch, underperforming A/C.
Dual mass clutch in BMW? Someone doesn’t know how to drive! I mean, i know some people can break straight piece of steel, but geez.
Like what failed on you?
 
328xi, M5 (neighbor's), 325i (son's)

Cooling systems, oil leaks, underhood and interior plastics, window regulators, fuel pump, speedometer/electrical, dual mass clutch, underperforming A/C.
How many of these were on the M5? Don't they tend to stuff 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag under the hood on those?
 
How many of these were on the M5? Don't they tend to stuff 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag under the hood on those?
I track my BMW and clutch works like new. I have never seen dual mass flywheel failure on BMW unless novice driver or poor job when they want to “upgrade.”
 
With BMW you must service exactly as they say.
If the PO did all the servicing including timing chain and generally cared for the car you will be fine as long as you continue servicing by the book.
If it's been treated like a 90's Civic it will punish you.
 
Dual mass clutch in BMW? Someone doesn’t know how to drive! I mean, i know some people can break straight piece of steel, but geez.
Like what failed on you?
Frequent shudder/judder upon clutch engagement. It was a terrible job to pull the transmission in the driveway on jackstands, but a great bonding project for me and my (then) 20 y.o. son. We still joke about it today. FYI, his current daily driver is a '19 Porsche Macan GTS which has been reliable so far.
How many of these were on the M5? Don't they tend to stuff 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag under the hood on those?
About half of the issues were with my neighbor's M5. The underhood access was pretty tight, but many of the issues were electrical in nature.
 
Frequent shudder/judder upon clutch engagement. It was a terrible job to pull the transmission in the driveway on jackstands, but a great bonding project for me and my (then) 20 y.o. son. We still joke about it today. FYI, his current daily driver is a '19 Porsche Macan GTS which has been reliable so far.

About half of the issues were with my neighbor's M5. The underhood access was pretty tight, but many of the issues were electrical in nature.
Sorry, but dual mass flywheel in BMW is either novice driver or poor job when upgrading. I mean, I have seen 328 or 335 with 200+k miles track vehicles running original clutch.
 
Sorry, but dual mass flywheel in BMW is either novice driver or poor job when upgrading. I mean, I have seen 328 or 335 with 200+k miles track vehicles running original clutch.
You are probably right. The 328i was purchased as a used vehicle with ~98K miles on the odometer, so it may have been raced/abused by the previous owner(s).
 
You are probably right. The 328i was purchased as a used vehicle with ~98K miles on the odometer, so it may have been raced/abused by the previous owner(s).
What also happens is that people delete CDV, and if the driver is not good with the clutch, it is downhill from there.
As for other stuff, I mean, these engines run super hot. Things will deteriorate under the hood. But IMO, $300-350 for new hoses every 100-120k, is not a steep price to pay for performance, excellent mpg, and super fast heating in winter, compared for example to an average Toyota that needs 30min to warm up, dissipates heat like crazy. So yeah, if you design an engine like that, hoses will last.
 
BITOG typical. Guy says that driving a BMW is like dating a super model and suggests leasing for two years to get it out of your system. All replies want to know about the BMWs.
I want to hear about the super model, and where I can find one to lease for two years?
Probably on the Only Fans site? 🤣
 
BITOG typical. Guy says that driving a BMW is like dating a super model and suggests leasing for two years to get it out of your system. All replies want to know about the BMWs.
I want to hear about the super model, and where I can find one to lease for two years?

The trick is to find a woman who could be a Supermodel, and then convince her you're a catch with your stockpile of motor oil bought on clearance.
 
...I want to hear about the super model, and where I can find one to lease for two years?
US-leasing laws are quite specific in this area - unless you're in Nevada, you can't lease short or long term. You can only buy.

Buying is on lifetime loans basis only, with a variable and always increasing interest rate. It hits at 50% of the yearly income + all current assets on the day the loan is signed, and increases to 100% of the yearly within a variable, usually short amount of time. There are no cash payment or fixed price options.
Early buyout carries an immediate penalty of 50% to 100% of the total amassed to date, plus all future income.
Approximately 9 months after loan signing, extra fees can kick in, at a to rate of everything you own plus your sanity and sleep. Those can split out at age 18 (or not). There are ways to avoid them, but as a matter of principle and worst case scenario - you can count on one every 9 months if you're not careful.

There is hope, however - you can take quality leases with upfront cash payments and fixed costs, as long as you qualify them as a movie. It works in every state. All you have to do is to film the leasing process and make it publicly available. You can even get some returns on these, so it's mostly a net positive.

However, requalifying leases as Art automatcally nukes your credit rating for regular loans and might impact other transactions in your daily life.

In short - look for a civilized country with solid lease vs buy jurisdiction, such as most of Europe, Thailand and others. Leasing in these guarantees the fiduciary duty of the lessor, as well as their protection and sometimes retirement plans and healthcare, AND the fiduciary interests of the lessees.

Good luck.
 
The B58 4 cylinder is fairly sorted out and shared with mini. My only real complaint is the over complication like needing special tools to tell the vehicle you installed a new battery or brake pads. If you plan on keeping it long term and have decent wrenching skills it won't be too expensive.
Agree. The need to code so much stuff kind of turned me off to the thought of buying another (still have and love my 2011 135i), but it’s becoming the norm for so many things from any manufacturer.

I agree if you can diy ownership isn’t hard or expensive. But that’s fairly universal.
 
Agree. The need to code so much stuff kind of turned me off to the thought of buying another (still have and love my 2011 135i), but it’s becoming the norm for so many things from any manufacturer.

I agree if you can diy ownership isn’t hard or expensive. But that’s fairly universal.
Just get a Foxwell NT310 bidirectional scanner.
Also this car would have the N20.
If the OP wants to spend a bit more they should look for a later B48 model which is an immensely strong engine.
But as others have said, if the chains been done then the n20 is generally fine.
Get the MG Flasher App and put a Stage 1 tune on it.
 
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