Worst Tires Ever?

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Dunlop Grandtrek AT20 OEM tire
These came stock on my 2004 Toyota 4Runner Sport

They suck in wet weather, terrible off road, barley any traction in the snow.... I have 27,000 miles on them now and they are in crappy shape. I plan on running these the rest of the summer and replacing in the fall with some Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo's
 
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Originally posted by sjlee:
Michelin XGT-V4.

These came stock on my '96 Acura Integra GS-R. They were horrible in the snow, poor in the rain and marginal on dry roads... not to mention expensive.

The only good things about these tires are that they take forever to wear out (66k miles) and have little rolling resistance (better MPG).

Here's a list of tires that I've used since then... all of which were huge improvements:

1. Dunlop D60 A2 (discontinued)
2. Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 (S-rated... will probably go back to at least an H-rated tire for better steering response)


I have a '00 Integra LS, so I also got XGT-4s as OEM as well and do concur that they are horrible. I dumped them for BFG Traction T/As which were a huge improvement.

However, the XGT-4s are not the worst tire I have ever driven. That dubious honor goes to the Goodyear Integritys which were on my sister's '01 Civic EX. They are so bad that I wince whenever I see a vehicle equipped with them on the road.
 
A lot of bad tires listed!

I'd like to nominate the Goodyear Vector, does anyone remembers those?


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I have an idea for another thread: people who own sweet cars and put inferior tires on them. I looked at a Porsche 944 and dismissed it only because it had some Farm & Fleet tires on it. I figured the owner didn't care for the car.
 
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Originally posted by steveh:
i think the worst tires i ever had were the stock generals i had on my 92 and 96 lumana vans after about 4 years i hand chunks of tread breaking off and broken belts in the tires

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Years ago, General Tire had a TV/Radio ad campaign with a jingle that went...

"Someday you'll own, someday you'll own,
Sooner or later you'll own Generals"

I always interpreted that jingle to mean that you will be stuck with some terrible tires at some point in the future.
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The Michelin "X" tires that came on a new '82 Mustang GT - TERRIBLE hydroplaning problem! Darn near lost it more than once hitting relatively shallow water. At maybe 3/4 good tread still on them, got them off after the last event hitting water and almost loosing control. I will never again own Michelin tires.
 
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There was a worse, much worse FIRESTONE tire than the 721. The FIRESTONE 500 was unbelevably bad. There was a set, new, on one of our family cars and at least seven replacements were made until the dealer put a set of MICHELIN X on the car. (The "X" designation was used on many successive designs, from the 1960's forward).

GM had their own tread/build design for tires in the mid-late 1970's, made by numerous American manufacturers. A "GM tread-spec" was common parlance as a tire description. Not hardy, nor particularly roadworthy by todays standards, they were at least consistent.

The 500, however would blow out on you anytime. Many of the stories I have heard about the 721 are really about the 500. They'd blow out hot, cold, sitting still (we --Dad and I -- went armed one night to the garage after hearing a gunshot from there. And another just before opening the door . . . just a pair of 500's blowing out).

Let's remember though, that the bias and belted bias tires being replaced were truly horrible in all respects save soft ride. They lasted, if lucky, about 15-25m miles (7-9m on an Eldorado or Toronado), had no grip in the rain, terrible propensity to flattening (just show 'em a picture of broken glass), and gave one a healthy respect for "polar moment of inertia" in emergency handling.

Engines were big, brakes were drums, and real men . . . .

Radials, even the 500 (or other baddies), were still a step ahead. If you were willing to flip for them (and had a buddy in the biz) you could get "police-spec" radials good to 130-mph (no steel belts) that were assembled with extraordinary care. We just didn't have many choices.

A set of LR-15 Michelin X, four, ran to a little over $1000.00 in todays money. A cheaper alternative was welcomed. It just took awhile longer than it should have, and too many people were killed or seriously injured in bringing the American car market to radial tires.

I ran retreads while in college (couldn't afford "real tires" on my little FORD), and I was suitably limited to 55-60 mph on cool days. I also carried two spares. More than once had to change two tires on a 300-mile trip to home or back. I still got a few thousand miles out of them -- hard, howling, no hydroplane resistance -- as I had to constantly inspect them for incipient tread separation.

But compared to, say, my father-in-law, where a trip from Victoria to Austin (Texas)all day and 2-6 flat tires to be expected, it wasn't seen by me as much of a hardship compared to those Model T and Model A days.

I'd have gladly run 500's if I could have afforded them, as they were night & day better than what I was forced to use.

Tires today are wonderful, dirt cheap, and last an amazingly long time with proper care and driving aimed at low overall vehicle wear. I'm real glad to be able to put tireson my vehicles today that are so much better. And I don't have to give up handling for ride comfort, or noise, in any proportion to what once was.
 
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Originally posted by rpn453:
My Mazda3 has no traction and wheel hops constantly (even under very little power - dry, wet, or snowy/icy) with my factory RS-A's.

I've got to take this one back. These tires got way better when I discovered my pressure gauge was reading 15psi low. I guess any tires would be horrible at 50psi!
I'm now going to check the calibration of all my pressure gauges against each other at least annually.
 
Goodyears that came on my Sonoma,Fred Flintstone,s car had a better ride and had radial pull to no end,changed to Michelin,s was like night and day
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About 15 years ago I was broke. I needed tires and couldn't afford Michelins. I had a friend at a Goodyear store who was kind enough to sell me some Goodyear S4S at his cost. They were OK for the first few thousand miles. Then things went to ****. Excessive noise, funny wear patterns, busted sidewall belts, unable to keep a balance. And I am a gentle driver who maintains tires well. I think they were $125. The last straw was a goiter that appeared on the sidewall while out of town. I pulled into Sears and got the best Michelins my credit card could stand to buy.
 
Michelin Symmetries on my 04 Honda Odyssey. The first set of tires I swapped out way before they wore out. They stink in the rain, and snow and the noise is bad and just all out bad handling.

Lots of Honda Odyssey Owners hate their OEM Symmetries.
 
I have another thread going about my Falken Ziex 512s. They shook the H E L L out of my car at all speeds. Balanced on 2 different Hunters, 3 times twice at the tire shop and once at the Audi dealer, out of my pocket. I returned them, total cost to me was about $100 and a few days of my life. NO MORE FALKENS. Going back to the Dunlop A2s again this winter.
 
Anything Goodyear. Especially their eggs they furnish as OE to manufacturers.

Overpriced, over marketed, & over hyped with poor quality control.

All 4 OE Eagle LS2s on our 2004 Nissan Quest shake. Wheels are straight & true. Tires shook since new. Been through 2 force-balancing. Nothing helped. I shouldn't have taken delivery until the issue was fixed.

I have had prblems with other Goodyears (or their other brands), including a couple Eagle GTs that had slipped belts back in'88, then in '98 a belt slipped in a Dunlop D65 & caused a horrible flatspot/out-of-round condition. Then in '99 I couldn't get a set of Dunlop D60s to balance...again they were out of round. Didn't really care as the tires were for lease turn-in.
 
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quote:Originally posted by rpn453:
My Mazda3 has no traction and wheel hops constantly (even under very little power - dry, wet, or snowy/icy) with my factory RS-A's.

I've got to take this one back. These tires got way better when I discovered my pressure gauge was reading 15psi low. I guess any tires would be horrible at 50psi!
I'm now going to check the calibration of all my pressure gauges against each other at least annually.

My A4 came with the GY RS-A. I couldn't stand those tires on that car. Poor traction, poor road holding, poor handling, poor everything. They also kept losing air like no other tire. I hear they aren't bad for A/S tires, but I'm used to high performance summer tires, so the RS-A probably could not have lived up to my expectations anyway.

The worst tire I've ever used would be a set of Fulda. Ack.
 
I find it funny how every tire make and model is the best and worst. Reviews vary so much from person to person. Whether on tire rack or any other site, never seems to be a consensus. I think it's a matter of selecting the right tire for the vehicle.
 
Wow!

I feel like a proud papa that this thread has gone on so long.

Good news: I no longer have my stock Firesones. I bought a set of Falken 512s and am much happier. Apparently I'm the only one, but maybe the bar was set pretty low
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Keep 'em coming! I'll have to second the Honda Odyssey OEM tires as crap. my mom's van handles much better even with a set of Big-O's midgrade variety.
 
Kelly Springfield MSR Safari's

had them on two vehicles nad never could keep air in any of them -- was toping them off every two months.

What junk.
 
I see a lot of hate for Michelin here, but I have to say that the WORST tires I've ever had were the stock Continentals on my '02 GTI. I replaced them with Michelin Pilots and was amazed at how much better everything was. With the Contis I would often engage the traction control just backing out of a parking space on dry pavement, that's how little traction they had. I got one flat and just replaced all four tires rather than buy one new Conti, that's how much I hated them.

Same comment applies to any General tire I've ever driven on. They seem to be designed to wear like iron at the expense of traction, which must be the bare minimum it needs to be to be certified for road use.

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