been recommended to me here and by a couple guys at work... fram tough guard and ultra filters are GREAT. that's what i'm hearing. i've always been told to stay away from fram filters... cardboard, glue, etc... do the tough guard and ultra have something the regular fram doesn't? built differently?
why the higher end fram?
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The Ultra has metal end caps, and is more efficient and rated for more miles than the EG and TG. The EG and TG still have fiber end caps (not really 'cardboard'). The TG has an efficiency just below the Ultra. Seems the EGs and TGs cut open by members here over the last couple of years look pretty good. Nothing wrong with non-metal end caps if they do the job their designed to do. Go to Fram's website if you want to see the differences between their 3 tiers of filters (EG, TG and XG).
gotcha. checked out the site... appears the tough guard is basically the EG with better filtration. anyone use the tough guard and have disappointment? i know i've never trusted the "orange can of death"... didn't know if the tough guard i should use without any worry... trying to find something walmart carries that's always readily available. i have a dodge so i've always used either the mopar or a purolator classic... any advantage with the tough guard over the mopar? can't seem to find the mopar filtration numbers
Use their entire lineup with confidence.
Here is a PH16 I recently ran on my Jeep.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4231463/Fram_PH16_cut_open.#Post4231463
Here is a PH16 I recently ran on my Jeep.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4231463/Fram_PH16_cut_open.#Post4231463
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I always spend the extra money and use the ToughGuard. It has higher efficiency, a better anti-drainback valve, and fits my OEM drain interval.
The orange ExtraGuard is the cheapy of the bunch. I view it as a 3,000 mile filter for applications where the oil gets changed frequently.
The Ultra is their shining star but I just don't need the extended drain interval. I change my oil when my engine manufacturer recommends and the ToughGuard fits this interval.
If published technical data is to be believed then the Fram oil filter product line, all of them, meet or better the requirements for OEM applications.
The orange ExtraGuard is the cheapy of the bunch. I view it as a 3,000 mile filter for applications where the oil gets changed frequently.
The Ultra is their shining star but I just don't need the extended drain interval. I change my oil when my engine manufacturer recommends and the ToughGuard fits this interval.
If published technical data is to be believed then the Fram oil filter product line, all of them, meet or better the requirements for OEM applications.
Nothing wrong with any Fram. Some ill informed folks think that "cardboard" endcaps are bad, ignoring the fact it's the same material that is used in the filter. So it's OK for the filter media but bad for another part of the same media? Makes 0 sense.
I like all the Fram spin-on filters.
Orange Cans Of Delight.
Orange Cans Of Delight.
Originally Posted By: sh40674
gotcha. checked out the site... appears the tough guard is basically the EG with better filtration. anyone use the tough guard and have disappointment? i know i've never trusted the "orange can of death"... didn't know if the tough guard i should use without any worry... trying to find something walmart carries that's always readily available. i have a dodge so i've always used either the mopar or a purolator classic... any advantage with the tough guard over the mopar? can't seem to find the mopar filtration numbers
TGs have been predominately what I've ran. Never one complaint.
The Fram TG filter is my favorite.
gotcha. checked out the site... appears the tough guard is basically the EG with better filtration. anyone use the tough guard and have disappointment? i know i've never trusted the "orange can of death"... didn't know if the tough guard i should use without any worry... trying to find something walmart carries that's always readily available. i have a dodge so i've always used either the mopar or a purolator classic... any advantage with the tough guard over the mopar? can't seem to find the mopar filtration numbers
TGs have been predominately what I've ran. Never one complaint.
The Fram TG filter is my favorite.
I like the Tough Guard because of its silicone ADBV and better media over the Extra Guard. My oil change intervals have varied, but I've told myself that I'm going to stick with 5,000 miles. The Tough Guard should be good for two of those oil changes, but I've elected to change it every time, just because the time between oil changes for me can be lengthy (12 months or more now).
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I've never been keen on the orange EG filter. It is one of a few that caused start up knock on my Chevy truck (with remote filter location). The ultra does not.
Like every manufacturer and every product, there are quality grades. Going upnone often is prudent. That's the case with Fram IMO.
That said I don't know there to be huge volumes of actual data on Fram orange can failures...
Like every manufacturer and every product, there are quality grades. Going upnone often is prudent. That's the case with Fram IMO.
That said I don't know there to be huge volumes of actual data on Fram orange can failures...
Im an ultra fan, $8.97 at wal mart, use for 15000 miles, just change my oil every 5000. easy
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
Im an ultra fan, $8.97 at wal mart, use for 15000 miles, just change my oil every 5000. easy
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
That's why I run the Ultra's now as well, for 24k km with 2 oil changes for our highway driving. It should be better in every way than running two cheaper filters over the same mileage. Also changing the filter on the CRV is a messy job and doing it once a year is better than twice.
Im an ultra fan, $8.97 at wal mart, use for 15000 miles, just change my oil every 5000. easy
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
That's why I run the Ultra's now as well, for 24k km with 2 oil changes for our highway driving. It should be better in every way than running two cheaper filters over the same mileage. Also changing the filter on the CRV is a messy job and doing it once a year is better than twice.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
Im an ultra fan, $8.97 at wal mart, use for 15000 miles, just change my oil every 5000. easy
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
That's why I run the Ultra's now as well, for 24k km with 2 oil changes for our highway driving. It should be better in every way than running two cheaper filters over the same mileage. Also changing the filter on the CRV is a messy job and doing it once a year is better than twice.
I'm doing that too. Seems like they get more efficient the longer they are in use
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
Im an ultra fan, $8.97 at wal mart, use for 15000 miles, just change my oil every 5000. easy
Off topic- why doesn't Fram make an "ultra air filter" or someone else make one.
Or are air filters already "there" in being as good as they need to be?
That's why I run the Ultra's now as well, for 24k km with 2 oil changes for our highway driving. It should be better in every way than running two cheaper filters over the same mileage. Also changing the filter on the CRV is a messy job and doing it once a year is better than twice.
I'm doing that too. Seems like they get more efficient the longer they are in use
The Ultra is a tank internally, the spin-on ones would likely rust out before the media failed. I'm up to 18K on the oversize XG3600 filter on the xB in my sig,must... resist.. changing...-until it hits the 20,000 mile mark (on it's 2nd OCI of M1 5W30 EP)!
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Nothing wrong with any Fram. Some ill informed folks think that "cardboard" endcaps are bad, ignoring the fact it's the same material that is used in the filter. So it's OK for the filter media but bad for another part of the same media? Makes 0 sense.
Filter media has to FLOW oil, end caps have to block flow.
Nothing wrong with any Fram. Some ill informed folks think that "cardboard" endcaps are bad, ignoring the fact it's the same material that is used in the filter. So it's OK for the filter media but bad for another part of the same media? Makes 0 sense.
Filter media has to FLOW oil, end caps have to block flow.
Like anything else, the build quality of a product greatly depends on the materials used, the quality of construction, and standards both of those are held to. I'm sure Fram has some haters for a reason, but given the current quality of their products, I'd be more likely to buy an orange can than a Purolator Classic. 5 years ago that may not have been the case.
ULTRA PICS
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The Ultra is a tank internally, the spin-on ones would likely rust out before the media failed. I'm up to 18K on the oversize XG3600 filter on the xB in my sig,must... resist.. changing...-until it hits the 20,000 mile mark (on it's 2nd OCI of M1 5W30 EP)!
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The Ultra is a tank internally, the spin-on ones would likely rust out before the media failed. I'm up to 18K on the oversize XG3600 filter on the xB in my sig,must... resist.. changing...-until it hits the 20,000 mile mark (on it's 2nd OCI of M1 5W30 EP)!
Originally Posted By: sh40674
been recommended to me here and by a couple guys at work... fram tough guard and ultra filters are GREAT. that's what i'm hearing. i've always been told to stay away from fram filters... cardboard, glue, etc... do the tough guard and ultra have something the regular fram doesn't? built differently?
The Ultra isn't made anything at all like the base low-end Fram. It has metal end-caps, it has a wire-backed synthetic media (and plenty of it). Its almost like its not made by the same company, about the only common part is the bypass valve in some applications
been recommended to me here and by a couple guys at work... fram tough guard and ultra filters are GREAT. that's what i'm hearing. i've always been told to stay away from fram filters... cardboard, glue, etc... do the tough guard and ultra have something the regular fram doesn't? built differently?
The Ultra isn't made anything at all like the base low-end Fram. It has metal end-caps, it has a wire-backed synthetic media (and plenty of it). Its almost like its not made by the same company, about the only common part is the bypass valve in some applications
This is a good video on YouTube about Fram filters. Jay is also a member here (MotorKing)
https://youtu.be/cttLaWepdL0
https://youtu.be/cttLaWepdL0
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