which Mobil 1 matches Toyota 0W20

[wayne50]

This may have been asked before, but does anyone know which Mobil 1 0W20 most closely matches the Toyota oil? I understand that Toyota may spec some things just for them, but which Mobil 0W20 could you just buy at Walmart that would be pretty close to Toyota's? The dealer told me they do in fact use Mobil 1, but then I see there are about 3 or more different ones, Advanced fuel economy, Extended performance, Annual Protection,etc.

Thanks
Wayne

 

[Oildudeny]

Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy. Green cap

 

[StevieC]

The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is the closest but the TGMO has more moly in it.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by StevieC
The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is the closest but the TGMO has more moly in it.
Toyota Genuine Motor oil (TGMO)house-brand 0w20 has a LOT more moly vs. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20, as in 11 times.
Originally Posted by wayne50
The dealer told me they do in fact use Mobil 1,

Sounds like wayne50's Toy dealership uses only Mobil 1, and not TGMO??? Maybe only in Wayne's World. ... I thought all Toyota franchises r required to have TGMO. The extra moly may help with break-in (Honda-Acura says so, and other techie papers allude to it.)

Originally Posted by wemay
Here you go my friend...You're right, that is some VOA! TGMO 0W20
http://pqiadata.org/Toyota_0W20.html

 

[buster]

AFE 0w20

 

[PimTac]

The two oils have different forms of moly so the numbers cannot be directly compared.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by StevieC
The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is the closest but the TGMO has more moly in it.
Toyota Genuine Motor oil (TGMO)house-brand 0w20 has a LOT more moly vs. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20, as in 11 times.


How was I wrong in what I said?

 

[buster]

Different moly and different focus/priority when comparing design of AFE and TGMO.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by PimTac
The two oils have different forms of moly so the numbers cannot be directly compared.
If TGMO is brewed up by Mobil, and Mobil uses Infineum, then it's all trimer moly, the same for all.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by StevieC
The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is the closest but the TGMO has more moly in it.
Toyota Genuine Motor oil (TGMO)house-brand 0w20 has a LOT more moly vs. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20, as in 11 times.
How was I wrong in what I said?

Just understated: 100 ppm in TGMO would be simply "it has more moly", while TGMO's 11x factor for moly, for the reader to understand this, has waaaaay more moly.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by buster
Different moly and different focus/priority when comparing design of AFE and TGMO.
That's true. VI of TGMO is above 200 from what I've read, a big diff.

Also, the OP's original question: If the dealership is saying "we use M1", sometimes they really mean they buy bulk Mobil Super Synthetic 0w20, not actual Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy. Many people think all Mobil full-syns are "M1".
If you were a Toyota dealer, and buying bulk non-TGMO oil, you'd choose Mobil Super Synthetic cuz its cheaper.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by PimTac
The two oils have different forms of moly so the numbers cannot be directly compared.
If TGMO is brewed up by Mobil, and Mobil uses Infineum, then it's all trimer moly, the same for all.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by StevieC
The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is the closest but the TGMO has more moly in it.
Toyota Genuine Motor oil (TGMO)house-brand 0w20 has a LOT more moly vs. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20, as in 11 times.
How was I wrong in what I said?

Just understated: 100 ppm in TGMO would be simply "it has more moly", while TGMO's 11x factor for moly, for the reader to understand this, has waaaaay more moly.




I understand where you are coming from but does using 700ppm of trimer moly make sense? It would seem that the older form would be cheaper.

 

[jongies3]

Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy. Green cap

No more green caps unfortunately! I liked those.

 

[OVERKILL]

From what I recall from the last MSDS we had for TGMO, it was entirely Group III based, which means it aligns with none of the Mobil 1 0w-20's and probably is closer to Mobil Super 0w-20.

 

[NH73]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
From what I recall from the last MSDS we had for TGMO, it was entirely Group III based, which means it aligns with none of the Mobil 1 0w-20's and probably is closer to Mobil Super 0w-20.
Certainly wouldn't be surprised by that. Take your pick Mobil Super Synthetic 0w20, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20, Mobil 1 High Mileage 0w20, Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20, Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 0w20, and Mobil 1 Annual Protection 0w20. It looks like Mobil has 6 picks for a Toyota needing a 0w20 oil. One is not a Mobil 1.

 

[wayne50]

Thanks to all.

Even though my dealer said they use Mobil 1, I don't know if it came from aToyota bottle or they buy it in bulk. I guess you would suspect they buy it in bulk.

 

[Garak]

Up here, you can buy it at the dealer for around $6 a litre all the time, in bottles.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by Garak
Up here, you can buy it at the dealer for around $6 a litre all the time, in bottles.
I think the puzzlement here is whether or not the Toy dealership eschews TGMO for quickie-lube oil changes in favor of some flavor of Mobil Super Syn or Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy. If they don't use TGMO for those, then at least one could order bottles from the parts counter.

 

[Garak]

The way it is here, at least they're using a smart incentive to get people to use the product, or, if that's not their goal, to get people to use the specified viscosity, by purchasing the OEM oil. Now, if I had a Toyota here, I'm not sure what I'd do. The distributors can take care of me here just fine. Heck, Canadian Tire can, too, if I wait for a sale and buy more than one jug at a time, which is what I tend to do anyhow.

 

[aquariuscsm]

My question is,why is the 0W20 the only Toyota oil with all that moly in it? None of their other grades have it per voa/uoa.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
My question is,why is the 0W20 the only Toyota oil with all that moly in it? None of their other grades have it per voa/uoa.
A 0w20 causes more boundary lubrication to happen since it is so thin. Therefore, thats when you need the high moly to keep friction and wear under control.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
"Unconventional lubricant and additive approaches
such as low phosphorous and high molybdenum
(LPHM) and ashless antiwear additives technologies
offer "step out" performance benefits for fuel
economy, wear prevention, deposit control and
three-way catalyst system protection versus conventional
lubricant and additive approaches. " --- JAG's https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4830433/engine-friction-reduction-trends
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs40544-016-0107-9.pdf , Vanderbilt Chem. & MIT
and "They [Toyota R&D Dept.] have verified effectiveness of
the approaches by increasing dosage of molybdenum
used as friction modifier..."

Could be a real trend is to crank moly up to 700 ppm on about everything.
Kind of like LubeGard Bio/Tech Engine Oil Protectant with esters and a ton of moly.
Although, Ceratec's moly-HBN approach looks like it could do it too.