I live up here in Chilly Canada and wonder which 5W30 or 5W20 flows best in the winter in our climate. I love to use PP but don't think it's the best in the cold.
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Which group III synthetic flows best in the cold?
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Why not switch to a 0w-20 then?
Show me the numbers - CCS or Mrv?
edge 5w30 is 4100/11500 -30/-35 repectively
M1 0w30 is ????/11100 at -35/-40
PetroCAN 0w-30 is 4200/14500 at -35/-40
Mobil wins the numbers game. Not saying its a good cold oil though
Look for a Ow-XX, 0W will ALWAYS read lower than a 5W-XX, API requires the oil to be rated in the proper category - if it meets 0W it was to be rated as 0W. A 0W-20 would be the best bet if the MFG allows OR you only short trip.
edge 5w30 is 4100/11500 -30/-35 repectively
M1 0w30 is ????/11100 at -35/-40
PetroCAN 0w-30 is 4200/14500 at -35/-40
Mobil wins the numbers game. Not saying its a good cold oil though
Mobil wins by cheating since its a majority PAO in the 0w-30. The PetroCAN 5w30 is 3700/9600 at -30/-35. That is low for a 5w-xx.
What about GC?(Castrol Syntec 0W-30 Made in Germany). That's what I've used this past winter.
Originally Posted By: RageOfFury
What about GC?(Castrol Syntec 0W-30 Made in Germany). That's what I've used this past winter.
That's a PAO synthetic with a pour point of -54C. The OP is looking at Group III oils.
What about GC?(Castrol Syntec 0W-30 Made in Germany). That's what I've used this past winter.
That's a PAO synthetic with a pour point of -54C. The OP is looking at Group III oils.
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: RageOfFury
What about GC?(Castrol Syntec 0W-30 Made in Germany). That's what I've used this past winter.
That's a PAO synthetic with a pour point of -54C. The OP is looking at Group III oils.
Oops my bad
To the OP, why not a PAO syn?
Originally Posted By: RageOfFury
What about GC?(Castrol Syntec 0W-30 Made in Germany). That's what I've used this past winter.
That's a PAO synthetic with a pour point of -54C. The OP is looking at Group III oils.
Oops my bad
To the OP, why not a PAO syn?
group 3 not needed, "conventional" 5w20 is group 2+, and all conventional 5w20 has better cold properties than any 5w30 synthetic group 3. for even better properties, go to a synthetic 5w20 - the cold property is superlative, but only just a little better than the conventional, so i don't waste my money on it, just plug my car in in the morning. The cheapest 5w20 synthetic in canada, is formula 1 synthetic on sale at Canadian Tire: it goes on sale for 40 or 50% OFF once a year, usually in the fall sometime, you have to watch for the sale, and then stock up. sometimes the sale is ONLY for saturday and sunday.
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
and all conventional 5w20 has better cold properties than any 5w30 synthetic group 3.
I have already corrected you on this before. It is NOT true!
I cited a few examples as such, and am not going back to find them again.
Meh - Had to find it.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the cold properties at -25C and -30C are vastly superior, the 5w20 will spank the 5w30 every time, even synthetic 5w30 is not a match for conventional 5w20, because all 5w20 is group 2+. just look up the MRV values using google search, and go through the various websites of each oil company. 5w20 is really excellent oil.
This is completely incorrect.
Let's see....how about we compare, say Q-Horsepower 5W30 to...Mobil Clean 5000 5W20
QHP CCS - 3980@ -30*C
MRV - 12,800@ -35*C
MC5K CCS - 5100@ -30*C
MRV - 21,400@ -35*C
I don't have the numbers off the top of my head (and the Valvoline site is down for maint), but the QHP 5W30 also has lower CCS and MRV numbers than Valvoline conventional 5W20.
Vastly superior huh?
"just look up the MRV values using google search, and go through the various websites of each oil company."
and all conventional 5w20 has better cold properties than any 5w30 synthetic group 3.
I have already corrected you on this before. It is NOT true!
Meh - Had to find it.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the cold properties at -25C and -30C are vastly superior, the 5w20 will spank the 5w30 every time, even synthetic 5w30 is not a match for conventional 5w20, because all 5w20 is group 2+. just look up the MRV values using google search, and go through the various websites of each oil company. 5w20 is really excellent oil.
This is completely incorrect.
Let's see....how about we compare, say Q-Horsepower 5W30 to...Mobil Clean 5000 5W20
QHP CCS - 3980@ -30*C
MRV - 12,800@ -35*C
MC5K CCS - 5100@ -30*C
MRV - 21,400@ -35*C
I don't have the numbers off the top of my head (and the Valvoline site is down for maint), but the QHP 5W30 also has lower CCS and MRV numbers than Valvoline conventional 5W20.
Vastly superior huh?
"just look up the MRV values using google search, and go through the various websites of each oil company."
A SAE 20 would be better than most any 30 when you get to -20C and up, but a 0W will outflow a 5W at -35C and below. Now the issue is PAO are bad lubricants** so the bearing get oil pressure and everything else suffers ...
unless blended with 15-20+ % AN and POE or the like
unless blended with 15-20+ % AN and POE or the like
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Petro-Canada synthetic 5w30 has the LOWEST cold-weather numbers I have EVER seen by far.
If you are going for PC for cold weather performance from a Group III than it only makes sense to use PC 0W30. Its cold weather stats are superior to the 5W30 offering and there is *no* 0W30 oil in Canada priced as competitively i.e approximately $5.50 per litre bottle. It is a no brainer.
Petro-Canada synthetic 5w30 has the LOWEST cold-weather numbers I have EVER seen by far.
If you are going for PC for cold weather performance from a Group III than it only makes sense to use PC 0W30. Its cold weather stats are superior to the 5W30 offering and there is *no* 0W30 oil in Canada priced as competitively i.e approximately $5.50 per litre bottle. It is a no brainer.
so how cold does it get there in degrees F, and do u not have engine block heaters ?
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=77115&docFormat=PDF
*drool*
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=77115&docFormat=PDF
*drool*
Define cold?
For temps down to at least -10C the lightest oil you can get is Toyota's 0W-20 with it's 40C vis of 39.3 cSt and VI of 214.
For temps down to at least -10C the lightest oil you can get is Toyota's 0W-20 with it's 40C vis of 39.3 cSt and VI of 214.
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=77115&docFormat=PDF
I would be running this oil in my F150 if I could get my hands on it.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=77115&docFormat=PDF
I would be running this oil in my F150 if I could get my hands on it.
Interesting; look at that 40C vis of only 52.2 cSt for a 30wt, it's lower than RL's 5W-20! Unfortunately I don't believe we can get Chevron up here in Canada.
I just called my local Chevron distributor. They sell it for $28 a gallon jug.....
The chevron oil "only" meets API SH though when it comes to gas engines. So if you have an engine in which the manufacturer recommends SL or SM then I'm not so sure you wanna go with an SH oil...thoughts?
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