When cops turn against their own

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Found this really interesting case. A cop, Marcel Jackson, stopped a speeding motorist who then proceeded to instigate a struggle.

It turned out that the motorist was an IA lieutenant, David Ramras.

After that became apparent, a bunch of high ranking cops attended the scene. When he began to realize it looked like they were all siding with Ramras, Jackson started taking photos of the attending cops. He was told to delete them.

Unknown to them, he also had his own Go Pro camera in his car.

Before the video clip below is a link to a fuller story including Jackson recounting the incident to friend immediately afterwards.

All I can find out is that Jackson was suspended while Ramras was reassigned. Don't know what happened since then.

http://www.crespogram.com/index_public_html/TRAFFIC_STOP_GONE_BAD.html
 
What a group of foul mouthed, low class people. Is this really what represents our government?
 
There are dumb-dumbs in every profession, unfortunately.
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In this province, we have a mathematician (former lecturer, obviously former) who likes to post racist stuff all over the city and on the web, and then wonders why he gets his behind hauled into court all the time.
 
What a cluster. No wonder most citizens have lost confidence in the police.
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Ramras should be drummed out of law enforcement as a lesson to all cops...

This is exactly why citizens are fed up with those in power and probably why the likes of Trump will be our next president, lol
 
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Originally Posted By: Garak
There are dumb-dumbs in every profession, unfortunately.
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In this province, we have a mathematician (former lecturer, obviously former) who likes to post racist stuff all over the city and on the web, and then wonders why he gets his behind hauled into court all the time.
Who is that?
 
Can someone pls help us understand

1. Why did the Mercel drag the nice gentleman out of vehicle and slam him to the ground?
2. Why did they let him go and help him tuck his shirt, I wonder if they would done the same for all citizens?
3. So the stories of both parties don't match? Why did Mercel video taped his interaction with the speeding vehicle?
 
That's City of Miami PD. 90% of cops are not qualified to have a job at Walmart, very corrupt police agency with certain folks hired to meet a quota.


BTW, if you watch 'First 48' TV show, lots of episodes from Miami are filmed in that area.
 
There's all kinds of "professional courtesy" expected in many lines of work.

For police, often the "PBA Card" is handed out. Get stopped, hand that over to help reduce the situation. Cops and close family members have a different variant.

Looks like the blindfold over Justice's eyes may not be there.

But the problem is that there is an expectation of considerations. That's abuse. I'd argue that while discretion should be offered, especially in the age of computer databases and being able to pull up life-long histories in no time flat, an expectation is just plain wrong.

And some people in a whole lot of different professions are just more aggressive. It's easy for people without the slightest clue or bit of experience to say it shouldn't be that way, but cops who routinely deal with "harder" populations, so to speak, unfortunately get "hardened" to it. It changes personalities, aggression levels, trust characteristics, etc. This was very easy auto observe with a friend who went to work in the prison system.

But to create an altercation over it, is a compromise of the public trust, and the public's checks and balances should indeed deal with the group at large. Problem is, fire them and who is going to hire them for what? Or are we going to be paying for them on the public dole for a while when they could likely be doing actual policing and likely catching some criminals while protecting the non-troublesome population at large?

Also the conversational ability of Jackson to "Rick" is appalling. I get it that in a lot of towns, it's the kids that didn't make it much past being captain of the football team who repopulate the local poice force. But some reasonable level of expectation to communicate should exist. I don't consider "yo, dawg" to be such.

I haven't looked into the hosting site's agenda, but there could well be one, so that must be kept in mind. But it does appear that Jackson did as he should and the Lieutenant has no duty serving in that position.
 
It appears that Jackson did everything correctly. He radioed his position and his situation. Clearly he told Ramras to REMAIN in the car, but Ramras proceeded to exit the car. That creates a dangerous situation for the cop and nearby motorists and pedestrians. When Ramras forced open the car door, Jackson had to resort to self-protection by taking him to the ground.

Now Jackson gets to be punished for doing his job?
 
Originally Posted By: NormanBuntz
It appears that Jackson did everything correctly. He radioed his position and his situation. Clearly he told Ramras to REMAIN in the car, but Ramras proceeded to exit the car. That creates a dangerous situation for the cop and nearby motorists and pedestrians. When Ramras forced open the car door, Jackson had to resort to self-protection by taking him to the ground.

Now Jackson gets to be punished for doing his job?



I agree. The driver is no one special when pulled over,at least he shouldn't bei the officer was well within his rights.

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Being a LEO is a difficult job these says, so to help them let us all second guess their every move.


Considering how many officer involved shooting deaths where the victim is unarmed I think we should absolutely be sceutizimg every single move the police make.
Even 1 person shot by cop of unarmed is too many so if it means they are under a microscope so be it.
It's protect and serve,not give up or die.
 
Some things are not adding up here...
1) So apparently this video was recorded via a GoPro owned by the officer. Typically modern police departments have the capability to video record all traffic stops, and to transmit audio via a microphone on the officer, to the video recorder in the cruiser. If this had been done, we would have been able to hear the entire exchange between the officer and the driver. I find it interesting if there is no official police video with audio/video/time and date stamp.
2) After the driver attempts to exit his vehicle, which is apparently the first sign of distress from what we can tell, another officer shows up within 8 SECONDS and two others within about 15 SECONDS! This is fast. Abnormally fast. Stupid fast.
3) The driver/IA officer did not immediately identify himself as a police officer. That makes sense if he is trying to monitor the behavior of the other officer. But then why exit the car and THEN identify himself after he is taken down? He should have either identified himself FIRST... OR waited until the exchange was over so that he could monitor all the officers behavior. Identifying himself at that stage doesn't make sense, unless something went wrong.
Best I can figure, since one was suspended and the other reassigned, is that BOTH were in the wrong to some extent.
That is concerning.
Fortunately, no civilians were involved, and I trust that they all learned from their mistakes and are now better police officers after this experience.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Being a LEO is a difficult job these says, so to help them let us all second guess their every move.


I agree, it is a difficult job. But in the end they are supposed to be working for us. You know, to protect and serve.
I have the UTMOST respect for law enforcement. I have friends who are cops, some of whom I've known since before they got the idea that they wanted to be cops. One of whom was in my wedding, and I in his. But I do still question some of their actions as cops. Primarily, the use of the taser as a compliance device instead of an alternative to deadly force.
It IS our job to observe their actions and call them out if we believe they are in the wrong. They work for us.
However, where people screw up is when they 'disagree' in a disrespectful or threatening manner. That [censored] will get you tasered every time. Let the cops do their jobs. If they screw up, for heaven's sake don't escalate it into a deadly situation. If you screw up or if the officer screws up: know your rights, shut the F up, take care of it in court.
 
Perhaps it's time for some oversight when it comes to the justice system. This stuff is getting ridiculous. It's a boys club with guns.
 
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Who is that?

Here is the link to only one of his exploits.

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
For police, often the "PBA Card" is handed out. Get stopped, hand that over to help reduce the situation. Cops and close family members have a different variant.

Or store your drivers license in your badge wallet.
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It's pretty ridiculous when cops can't identify themselves as a cop to another cop before things so awry.

The cop that go pulled over shouldn't have jump out of his car for starters. And if he did show the cop who pulled him over his badge, then did he think this guy was trying to impersonate an officer?
 
Originally Posted By: NormanBuntz
It appears that Jackson did everything correctly. He radioed his position and his situation. Clearly he told Ramras to REMAIN in the car, but Ramras proceeded to exit the car. That creates a dangerous situation for the cop and nearby motorists and pedestrians. When Ramras forced open the car door, Jackson had to resort to self-protection by taking him to the ground.

Now Jackson gets to be punished for doing his job?


In this case...I honestly wish he had shot the guy dead.
 
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