What should I know before I sign any lease papers?

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Originally Posted By: 1999nick
I think that your FICO score has a lot to do with your judgment and ability to handle money. You certainly don't get a FICO score of 800+ by careless buying and slow paying.


I would challenge anyone to find a single person who is financially irresponsible that also has a credit score of 800+. I say it's impossible.
 
Originally Posted By: 1999nick
Have any of you people ever actually leased a car and been financially burned by it? I have, in my 74 years, purchased 28 cars and trucks. Among them are 3 vehicles I leased. All 3 were pleasant experiences. These were a 48 month lease, a 39 month lease, and a 36 month lease. There were never any additional charges at the end of a lease; never a requirement to buy a set of tires or any such nonsense, even on the one with a 48 month lease.

At the end of the 39 month lease, a 99 Nissan Maxima, I purchased it and still own it today.

I enjoyed the idea of a much smaller payment by leasing, and not have to negotiate a trade-in with my next vehicle. Up until 5 years ago, I had always had a car note or two my whole life. Retirement has slowed down my car buying somewhat.

I always leased when I could take advantage of a factory special lease deal. That 99 Maxima was $247 per month, with a $1600 down payment.


And I haven't made a car payment since the 1970's, even though I've purchased a number of new cars (and usually run them until they are no longer fit to be on the road).

Look at all the interest you've spent and all the years of car and lease payments. While you were making payments to the bank, I was making payments to my own bank account and keeping the interest.

Again, with very few exceptions, leasing is a dumb financial move. But there will always be people who want to be seen in more car than they can really afford, so there will always be a place for leases.
 
As a father of two young adult daughters (low 20's), I cannot understand why the original poster here is so foolish as to want to co-sign on a really stupid decision. A good father is supposed to be a stand up guy, and be that man, that source of wisdom for his children. It would be exceedingly foolish for the OP to help his daughter into a really really bad decision. I read his justifications, and they are really bad! He says his sister is the type that needs a new car every few years, and that his daughter is the same type?!?!?!? As if this is a good justification? How many Americans have foolishly mortgaged your future on buying and/or leasing cars every few years? I think this thread exposes not just one but MANY dysfunctional issues with the OP and his family. No wisdom, no role modeling is getting past down to the next generations...WOW, as a father myself and having two daughters I am appalled at the foolishness of others.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
javacontour said:
With a credt score exceeding 800, I don't need the lessons...


Wrong metric, sir.

Here's a better one: Those that lease cars are very foolish financially REGARDLESS of their credit scores.

Good and responsible fathers don't help their young adult children into stupid decisions.
 
lovcom

I have one short and sweet response for you....-----!
 
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Originally Posted By: 1999nick


I think that your FICO score has a lot to do with your judgment and ability to handle money. You certainly don't get a FICO score of 800+ by careless buying and slow paying.


The only thing it shows is that you know how to stick a stamp on a bill and get it to the creditor on time. Show me someone who really knows how to manage money and they will do the following:

1. Put the vast majority of the money from their paycheck, other than what is used for normal monthly bills (electric, water, etc.) into savings or money market accounts for rainy day problems (such as needing a car, hint, hint). Some should also be used for long-term investing where greater returns can be realized.

2. Do not, to the best of your ability, pay companies intrest for lending you money. That right there is an obvious sign your not handling money correctly. Having a home loan is about the only exception....sometimes.
 
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The O.P. may get upset at these responses but it is similar to me posting the following question in the engine oil thread:

How much do you think is the maximum amount I should pay for straight 50 weight engine oil for my brand new Honda Civic?

Now it would be off-topic for someone to say: "Why in heck are you using that type of oil in that car?" but that response would be accurate and I would hope I would get that response from people on this board. The same goes for this thread, your asking for advice over a ridiculously silly scenario that should be obvious to just about anyone.
 
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Originally Posted By: grampi
lovcom

I have one short and sweet response for you....-----

I hope you get banned for that!
 
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He earned that response. I stated earlier I was not seeking responses on financial lessons...I don't need them. Responses telling me that co-signing for my daughter for ANY reason is stupid are inflamatory. Responses informing me of what to look for during the lease process, or even recommending a loan over a lease and explaining why are acceptable responses and are on-topic. Responses such as the ones from lovcom are not only insulting and off-topic, they are also in violation of the site rules. So if I get banned, lovcom should as well...
 
Okay time for a lock. And someone did get some time off.

Remember here if you ask for advise be prepared to hear both sides.

If you just want a cheerleader response for what you have already decided then don't ask.

Bill
 
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