What happed to all the Hummers?

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
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He drives a Versa.


Oh c'mon now, you drive a Saber Toothed Ti -- oh hold on, I mean Panther!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one.

This is true!

And a car that whose "safety" is likely on-par with something produced by Fisher Price (the Capri). LOL!

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Have you seen the cartoon lampooning male Hummer drivers?
The tag line is "Now everyone will know."
The point being that the average male driving a Hummer is somewhat lacking as a man, so to speak.



Or maybe they have enough money that they don't care about the price of gas, what the vehicle cost, or what the econoboxers think of their manhood, or lack thereof.


Ahhh Win, most of the time I'm right with you on your usually-well-considered posts. But not this time. Having spent a decent slice of my 29 year USMC career in the Motor Transport field, including a good bit of time commanding a unit that included a bunch of "wonderful" HMMWVs, I can only either shake my head, or just laugh outright when I see a "Hummer," that seeks to mimick the "image" of the real HMMWV. Sure, many other vehicles project "images" (Corvettes, Camaros, hybrids, pickups, etc.), but somehow, to me, the H2 and H3 are different.

The real thing (the HMMWV) is a noisy, shaky, totally uncomfortable, fairly unreliable, utilitarian beast. In short, it bears NOTHING in common with the costumed Tahoes and Colorados that seek to project the image through the Hx models. I suppose that in all candor, as a retired Marine, the H2 and H3 do offend me on some level. Good Marines and Soldiers have died (and continue to do so) in the real thing, and still, our streets are infested with suburban soldier poseurs cruising around in their AC-cooled Hummers. A good friend of mine almost died in an IED ambush in an HMMWV (the shrapnel piece stopped about an inch from his heart). How often does your average H2 driver come face to face with someone earnestly trying to kill him?

I wonder how many H2 drivers have any concept of what it's like to cruise down a street wondering which one of the two-dozen visible trash cans ahead is concealing a killer bomb? How many H2 drivers start up seriously not knowing if this convoy will be their last and leave their kids orphaned?

Sure, it's a free country, and that's what I stood up for as a Marine for all those years. But from my perspective -- good riddance to these street pigs.

 

[mikiee]

Wow, looks like I jumped into the lion's den down here in "Automotive General Topics". I'll make sure to knock first, the next time I visit. (----, there are just some questions YOU DO NOT ASK!!!!) I'VE done been puuuuuuuuuuuuuuut in my place!

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk

Having spent a decent slice of my 29 year USMC career in the Motor Transport field, including a good bit of time commanding a unit that included a bunch of "wonderful" HMMWVs

 

[cbear]

Ekpolk, no offense but the same could have been written about the Jeep that the HMMWV replaced.

AM General from the get go sold what is now referred to as the H1, originally marketed to foresty and oil companies.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: ekpolk

Having spent a decent slice of my 29 year USMC career in the Motor Transport field, including a good bit of time commanding a unit that included a bunch of "wonderful" HMMWVs

One of the best cases where a picture is worth a thousand words. Fitting choice of color by the owner.

Ekpolk makes a good point. I couldn't say it any better. Especially when the heaviest duty the H2 is put to is when the "soccer mom" takes it to pick up groceries. I somehow achieve the same feat in my Corolla and survive the experience despite the toll line ups take on my nerves.

The "puddle jumper," with its decent and inexpensive Goodyear Nordics, is also up to the 365 24/7 transportation duty its called on to perform, regardless of the weather outside.

But I have no need for anything larger or more expensive. It satisfied all my criteria when I bought it. That I'm also able to average 30-35 mpg is a nice bonus that I see in my wallet every fill up, and was one of the main criteria when I bought it.

-Spyder

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: mikiee
Wow, looks like I jumped into the lion's den down here in "Automotive General Topics". I'll make sure to knock first, the next time I visit. (----, there are just some questions YOU DO NOT ASK!!!!) I'VE done been puuuuuuuuuuuuuuut in my place!


No, you're fine. I suppose I reacted a bit harshly in my last post. . .

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: cbear
Ekpolk, no offense but the same could have been written about the Jeep that the HMMWV replaced.

AM General from the get go sold what is now referred to as the H1, originally marketed to foresty and oil companies.


Yes and no. The old Jeep was a model of inexpensive simplicity. The HMMWVs are anything but. Notice how, unlike the Jeep, they really never caught on for civilian use, at least not in any serious numbers. There's a very good reason why.

 

[brianl703]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
There's a very good reason why.


I think this says it all:

Quote:
Can the public purchase parts for Humvees or other military vehicles manufactured by AM General?
No, these parts, as well as service information, are available only to military customers. Occasionally these vehicles wind up in civilian hands. However, AM General does not support these vehicles when they are in civilian ownership.


http://www.amgeneral.com/corporate/faq.php

 

[mikiee]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: mikiee
Wow, looks like I jumped into the lion's den down here in "Automotive General Topics". I'll make sure to knock first, the next time I visit. (----, there are just some questions YOU DO NOT ASK!!!!) I'VE done been puuuuuuuuuuuuuuut in my place!


No, you're fine. I suppose I reacted a bit harshly in my last post. . .

Ekpolk, it wasn't your post that my comments were directed towards. It was the other. Guess that individual has issues going on or something. Sure comes off that way. And then the other, takes a dig at the car I drive. Very creative. Really should be on Letterman. Missed his calling. Oh well, this is the internet after all. BTW, Ekpolk, thanks for your service to our country.

 

[moving2]

Originally Posted By: mikiee
Ekpolk, it wasn't your post that my comments were directed towards. It was the other. Guess that individual has issues going on or something.



mikiee- it's okay to mention names on here, as I believe you're referring to me and this response I had to your question:


Originally Posted By: mikiee
Who on here will admit to owning a Hummer, now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.


Originally Posted By: moving2

And while you're at it:

Who on here will admit to owning a BMW 750/760 iL/Li- now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.

Who on here will admit to owning a Corvette ZR1- now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.

Who on here will admit to owning a Nissan GTR- now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.

Who on here will admit to owning a Porsche 911 GT3- now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.

Who on here will admit to owning a Porsche Cayenne Turbo- now or in the past and why did you buy one? Just curious why you needed this vehicle.

mikiee- and perhaps you can enlighten all of us as to how owning a Hummer is any better/worse/different than owning any of the vehicles above? And while you're at it, what qualifies you to analyze vehicle "need"?



mikiee- I guess it's easier for you to mount a personal attack and use an ad hominem argument (e.g., "individual has issues going on") than it is to simply respond to some questions. I didn't make any comments about the vehicle you drive- I'm simply asking some questions. Wanna try responding instead of using personal attacks to avoid discussion? Would be much appreciated.

 

[mikiee]

Move, give it a rest. You have an agenda, for whatever reason, whatever. I asked a simple question, you took exception, not even being a Hummer owner. And now you say I personally attacked you? Good one. Persecution issues? This is BITOG not Psychology Today.

 

[mikiee]

Addition to last post:
(I never said YOU commented on my car, anyway) My original question stemmed from my curiosity of seeing Hummers on the street back in the day and wondering to myself why someone would buy one. After seeing the inside of one, it only reinforced my curiosity. You seemed to interpret my question as an attack on Hummer drivers. It was not. I ask myself the same question when I see a Rolls Royce, or {Porsche Cayenne or Porsche GT-3} like you mentioned. You might see a Versa rolling down the street and ask the same question. "Why would someone buy that?" Simple curiosity. don't make it into more.

 

[moving2]

Originally Posted By: mikiee
And now you say I personally attacked you? Good one.


mikiee- nice try.

Do us all a favor and read this:

Originally Posted By: mikiee
It was the other. Guess that individual has issues going on or something.


Now try explaining how that's not a personal attack. Don't try to weasle your way out of answering or bring up psychobabble again, just explain how that's not a personal attack vs. a BITOG-related discussion. Good luck.

Originally Posted By: mikiee
Persecution issues? This is BITOG not Psychology Today.


Wow. Let's see here:

1. You're the only one who's brought anything up about anyone having "issues" (that's psychology related, not BITOG-related)

2. Now you've gone even further to suggest I have "persecution issues" (again, that's psychology related, not BITOG-related)

And now you're telling me I'm making this about psychology? Anyone reading your quotes above can see how psychology and, more accurately, psychobabble entered a BITOG discussion, and it had nothing to do with me. I have never discussed psychology, nor have I suggested that you have any psychological issues because one, I'm not personally attacking you, and two, I'm not here to discuss psychology- this is BITOG. Considering all the psychobabble you keep bringing up, psychology (or at least superficial, armchair psychology) seems to be your thing. So give it up, already- it's obvious you're yelling at your own echo on that point.


Originally Posted By: mikiee
You seemed to interpret my question as an attack on Hummer drivers. It was not. I ask myself the same question when I see a Rolls Royce, or {Porsche Cayenne or Porsche GT-3} like you mentioned. You might see a Versa rolling down the street and ask the same question. "Why would someone buy that?" Simple curiosity. don't make it into more.


If you say so. However, I've been in enough "vehicle need" discussions on BITOG to know that the question you posed about SUVs and vehicle "need" is almost always biased against SUVs- whether it be SUV drivers, fuel economy, or the attitude that "they don't 'need' that vehicle", whereas a similar bias doesn't seem to exist against the other vehicle types I mentioned. And I've always been curious about why that is, hence my questions.

Since you say this was just a question, just out of curiosity- have you ever asked a similar question on BITOG about any of the other vehicle types I mentioned and why people feel they need them?

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Have you seen the cartoon lampooning male Hummer drivers?
The tag line is "Now everyone will know."
The point being that the average male driving a Hummer is somewhat lacking as a man, so to speak.



Or maybe they have enough money that they don't care about the price of gas, what the vehicle cost, or what the econoboxers think of their manhood, or lack thereof.


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our streets are infested with suburban soldier poseurs cruising around in their AC-cooled Hummers.

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But from my perspective -- good riddance to these street pigs.


Perfectly understandable why you would have disdain for these things, but I think you're assuming a fact not in evidence, namely that these things are bought by soldier poseurs.

I don't know what kind of statement that pink thing a few posts above is making, but I'm pretty sure soldiering is not it.

I would still rather have a Land Rover if I were in the market for an upscale SUV so I'm not going to put up much of a defense for the marque.

 

[mikiee]

MoveOn, we're at round 4 or 5 in this pi$$ing match and I'm quickly becoming bored and fatigued, so in the words of the great Forrest, "that's all I'm going to say about that". PS: Be sure to make at least one more post on this thread so you can officially get the last word in, while I slink away in abject humiliation. heh, heh

 

[moving2]

Originally Posted By: mikiee
PS: Be sure to make at least one more post on this thread so you can officially get the last word in, while I slink away in abject humiliation. heh, heh


mikiee- after all your personal attacks and question-dodging, I think you've done that job quite well yourself, without my help. Cheers!

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I would always see H2 Hummer limousines in Miami Beach with 24 inch chrome wheels and I always thought they looked so ridiculous it wasn't even funny.


I saw 3 of those last night on Ocean Drive in Miami Beach...A bunch of spoiled brats were yelling out the windows and the sunroof.

I see several everyday on I-95 and will have to say every Hummer I see is in excellent condition and clean as can be...I never see them speeding and the owners drive them very carefully unlike the bulk of the lunatics down here.

 

[Audi Junkie]

"The Worst"

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: Win
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Perfectly understandable why you would have disdain for these things, but I think you're assuming a fact not in evidence, namely that these things are bought by soldier poseurs.

I don't know what kind of statement that pink thing a few posts above is making, but I'm pretty sure soldiering is not it.

I would still rather have a Land Rover if I were in the market for an upscale SUV so I'm not going to put up much of a defense for the marque.



Affirmed in part, reversed in part, remanded (back at you).

I guess my counter-point would be that if a substantial number of H2 or H3 buyers weren't trying to falsely cloak themselves in a military mantle, then why wouldn't they just buy a Tahoe/Suburban, or a Colorado, or a Trailblazer, etc.? A few years back, another member poked fun at H3 buyers with words to the effect of, "congratulations H3 buyers -- you've just bought a Chevy Colorado wearing a $15k Haloween costume". Now that may be a tad in-your-face harsh, but I do think it sums up these vehicles pretty well.

Now, as for that pink thing -- well, all I can say is maybe it was issued to McGoober and dispatched to rescue hostages held at the Pepto-Bismol factory. Of course, the factory exploded before McGoober could save the day, but the HMMVW survived, and soldiers (oh, ahem, Marines on...) on, but coated with Pepto. Silly sounding, perhaps, but is it any sillier than a PINK HMMWV itself???? I should submit this idea to SNL!

As for your last, I think you've come full circle and agreed with me. Sure, if you need the capability, a Rover would be a fine choice -- especially because it comes without the added, superflous costume.