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Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I didnt mean for this to appear absurd, anal or frought with technicalities. As some posters stated, sometimes you want a kit of tools with maximum utility, and which can fit in a very small bag.
How do you reconcile the above with the exclusion of multifunctional tools? Your refusal to allow multifunctional tools is absurd, anal, and a mere technicality!
Lemme know.
Thanks!!!
Because a multifunction tool is, by definition, multifunctional. Any monkey can come up with the answer that a multitool can get 'n' jobs done... which wasnt my intent with trying to find out the most useful tool kit that one can specify with the minimum number of pieces. It is overly obvious that a multitool would make a key component to any minimalist kit. It is the so-called "trivial solution".
So all of a sudden, I dont have "channel lock brand medium pliers", "Xcelite philips #2 and flat screwdriver in 3/16", I just have "leatherman". It can cause the problem to be underspecified in its answer.
Too generic, my hope was to have some specification of not only the tools that folks find most utility from, bu also the brand. Too generic of a tool, or a tool that does multiple functions effects my resolution for the answer.
I hope this helps to clarify your confusion.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I didnt mean for this to appear absurd, anal or frought with technicalities. As some posters stated, sometimes you want a kit of tools with maximum utility, and which can fit in a very small bag.
How do you reconcile the above with the exclusion of multifunctional tools? Your refusal to allow multifunctional tools is absurd, anal, and a mere technicality!
Lemme know.
Thanks!!!
Because a multifunction tool is, by definition, multifunctional. Any monkey can come up with the answer that a multitool can get 'n' jobs done... which wasnt my intent with trying to find out the most useful tool kit that one can specify with the minimum number of pieces. It is overly obvious that a multitool would make a key component to any minimalist kit. It is the so-called "trivial solution".
So all of a sudden, I dont have "channel lock brand medium pliers", "Xcelite philips #2 and flat screwdriver in 3/16", I just have "leatherman". It can cause the problem to be underspecified in its answer.
Too generic, my hope was to have some specification of not only the tools that folks find most utility from, bu also the brand. Too generic of a tool, or a tool that does multiple functions effects my resolution for the answer.
I hope this helps to clarify your confusion.
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Naw, Leatherman is garbage. Check expedition supplies and you will find what you... oh wait, you don't want any multifunctional tools. Good luck assembling your 5 piece "kit!"
Can you choose the car in question ?
A jeep with a long block 6 will be part of the way toward a multimachine, especially if you can couple it with enough roadside flares to snag yourself a 4 cyl block for a base.
That's one tool (2 if you count the flares).
Bob's "master tool" would probably garner you all of the other equipment that you'd need for any eventuality, or any nuber of volunteer labourers to drag your chosen vehicle long distance.
A jeep with a long block 6 will be part of the way toward a multimachine, especially if you can couple it with enough roadside flares to snag yourself a 4 cyl block for a base.
That's one tool (2 if you count the flares).
Bob's "master tool" would probably garner you all of the other equipment that you'd need for any eventuality, or any nuber of volunteer labourers to drag your chosen vehicle long distance.
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Can you choose the car in question ?
Well, Jr said
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a real piece of junk vehicle, or going to tour Africa or something like this
The car in question is likely a Peugeot 504. If it's a rental, it may be a Suzuki SJ4.
Can you choose the car in question ?
Well, Jr said
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a real piece of junk vehicle, or going to tour Africa or something like this
The car in question is likely a Peugeot 504. If it's a rental, it may be a Suzuki SJ4.
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So that spider bite did have positive side effects!
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I think those hands of yours count as more than two tools...
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Originally Posted By: moribundman
Naw, Leatherman is garbage. Check expedition supplies and you will find what you... oh wait, you don't want any multifunctional tools. Good luck assembling your 5 piece "kit!"
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer. What a great use of time and energy.
I guess that's what you're here for, right?
Naw, Leatherman is garbage. Check expedition supplies and you will find what you... oh wait, you don't want any multifunctional tools. Good luck assembling your 5 piece "kit!"
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer. What a great use of time and energy.
I guess that's what you're here for, right?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer.
What some of us are trying to say, in different ways, is that you have asked us how we would solve an infinetely large problem with an (artificially) infinetely small number of possible solutions. And when we tell you that that doesn't compute in any reasonable way, that solution isn't acceptable either.
If you don't like our solutions, perhaps you should ask someone else?
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer.
What some of us are trying to say, in different ways, is that you have asked us how we would solve an infinetely large problem with an (artificially) infinetely small number of possible solutions. And when we tell you that that doesn't compute in any reasonable way, that solution isn't acceptable either.
If you don't like our solutions, perhaps you should ask someone else?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Anyway, Im seeing some good trends. The purpose of this exercise was to try and pick out the most common and highest quality brands available, such that I can make an optimal small tool kit. It doesnt necessarily need to have five or ten tools, but the point is to have something small, light and stowable.
Careful, if you put too much money and thought into said emergency kit it might be so good you borrow from it to be your primary kit. I know if it were me the socket I'd need would have rolled into a corner of my garage floor, with my every intent of finding it next morning when it was light.
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This can be very important if, say, youre buying cars from far away and need to take them on long drives to get home.
Allright kiddies now it's time for a couple "bringing home beater" stories.
1) Saturn SL1 with a rod knocking, 6 miles, paid $95 for it, rode my bike to pick it up, brought a paper license plate and 1/2 gallon of water in a soda bottle. (was low). Made it.
2) Dodge dakota with a wiring issue below the fusebox preventing the starter relay from getting power. Previous owner was jumping the solenoid with a rock hammer (!). I ran a 3 foot 12 gauge jumper wire with alligator clip down to the solenoid (can climb in and do this with a 3.9 V6) then tied the other end of the wire around something near the battery. Gripped the stripped end with a pliers so I wouldn't have to use my fingers and touched to the positive battery terminal.
3) saturn with blown coolant temp sensor, was running so poorly it fouled a plug. (And the PO gave up on it) Brought two full tool boxes with me for pickup, switched the sensor, spliced on a new wiring pigtail, and scraped crud out of a fouled plug with a razor blade. Drove it home!
IMO if one is bringing home a suprise car they should bring as many tools as would fit in a couple tool boxes, 30-40 lb apiece. Even if one is flying they can check a toolbox as baggage. I did this once and included a detailed typed inventory (just so anyone wouldn't try any funny business), they frisked it and stole a 10 cent bic ball point pen... must have done it on a homeland security desk and thought it was theirs.
Now if one had a motorcycle or fancy BMW car, that'd already come with a factory tool kit.
A spark plug wrench would be #1 on a bike.
Anyway, Im seeing some good trends. The purpose of this exercise was to try and pick out the most common and highest quality brands available, such that I can make an optimal small tool kit. It doesnt necessarily need to have five or ten tools, but the point is to have something small, light and stowable.
Careful, if you put too much money and thought into said emergency kit it might be so good you borrow from it to be your primary kit. I know if it were me the socket I'd need would have rolled into a corner of my garage floor, with my every intent of finding it next morning when it was light.
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This can be very important if, say, youre buying cars from far away and need to take them on long drives to get home.
Allright kiddies now it's time for a couple "bringing home beater" stories.
1) Saturn SL1 with a rod knocking, 6 miles, paid $95 for it, rode my bike to pick it up, brought a paper license plate and 1/2 gallon of water in a soda bottle. (was low). Made it.
2) Dodge dakota with a wiring issue below the fusebox preventing the starter relay from getting power. Previous owner was jumping the solenoid with a rock hammer (!). I ran a 3 foot 12 gauge jumper wire with alligator clip down to the solenoid (can climb in and do this with a 3.9 V6) then tied the other end of the wire around something near the battery. Gripped the stripped end with a pliers so I wouldn't have to use my fingers and touched to the positive battery terminal.
3) saturn with blown coolant temp sensor, was running so poorly it fouled a plug. (And the PO gave up on it) Brought two full tool boxes with me for pickup, switched the sensor, spliced on a new wiring pigtail, and scraped crud out of a fouled plug with a razor blade. Drove it home!
IMO if one is bringing home a suprise car they should bring as many tools as would fit in a couple tool boxes, 30-40 lb apiece. Even if one is flying they can check a toolbox as baggage. I did this once and included a detailed typed inventory (just so anyone wouldn't try any funny business), they frisked it and stole a 10 cent bic ball point pen... must have done it on a homeland security desk and thought it was theirs.
Now if one had a motorcycle or fancy BMW car, that'd already come with a factory tool kit.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer. What a great use of time and energy.
I guess that's what you're here for, right?
Keep it together. You're getting a bit shrill, Jr. Maybe take one or two Midol.
Gee... thanks for taking the time to needlessly pick apart my question and then add zero value to the answer. What a great use of time and energy.
I guess that's what you're here for, right?
Keep it together. You're getting a bit shrill, Jr. Maybe take one or two Midol.
I'd probably go with this multi-tool since it also has sockets.
I'd probably then pick 4 other multi-tools that had different features.
I'd probably then pick 4 other multi-tools that had different features.
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I like the SOG S-60 for odds and ends stuff. I never even go to a party or a homecoming dance without my Swiss Champ in my pocket.
Originally Posted By: moribundman
I like the SOG S-60 for odds and ends stuff.
Great, that will be tool number 2.
I like the SOG S-60 for odds and ends stuff.
Great, that will be tool number 2.
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Alright, apology to Jr for messing with him and for being such a donkey. Here's a handful of basic tools that will hopefully inspire him in his quest for maximized utility in a minimal package:
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basic tools
But what if the car being fetched doesn't happen to be pink? Do they have that set in chameleon coloring?
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