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Sure, and what's the #1 selling car in the world? What was the #1 selling car in the world by revenue last year?
Señor your assertion as proof your claim the 'big boys are in trouble' is the logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum or 'appeal to the people'. That large groups of consumers buy Teslas doesn't support your underlying premise that they are the best choice for most people.
 
The E-Ray will be amazing; a world class supercar that can compete with Europe's best. You won't get one for $105K, but whatever the price-to-play, it will be a bargain in comparison.

The E-Ray is a hybrid, but it ain't no Prius. It is AWD uses an electric motor to drive the front wheels; that flat torque curve will get it moving fast with power and traction. A perfect compliment to the great 6.2L V8 pushing the rear wheels. This will be a true 10 second car, making it the fastest Corvette ever and in Lambo/Ferrari territory. For much less scratch...

The car will be incredibly balanced. I am lucky my Corvette habit is over...
 
Señor your assertion as proof your claim the 'big boys are in trouble' is the logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum or 'appeal to the people'. That large groups of consumers buy Teslas doesn't support your underlying premise that they are the best choice for most people.
Who said they are the best choice for most people? My point is they are taking market share and the Model 2 will be a formidable competitor. Until the big boys learn to build and sell a profitable EV, they continue to lose billions. That's the trouble...
 
Yeah, EV buyers want the best, so they buy Teslas. Other car companies seem to be struggling...
I can't wait for the Highland!

In another year or so, the Model 2 will be released. The big boys are in trouble. And they know it.
The only thing I gave up by going with an ev6 gt vs a tesla was the charging network, which in the midwest is the same as ccs. In return I got a quieter, faster, better handling, more full featured product (until you get to model s territory)
 
Yeah, EV buyers want the best, so they buy Teslas.
That does seem to be a factor. Buyers do listen to "word of mouth" information, and Tesla owners are generally a very pleased set of owners. Additionally, let's not kid ourselves, Tesla's are the easiest to live with. Especially when stepping outside the bounds of local trips.
 
That does seem to be a factor. Buyers do listen to "word of mouth" information, and Tesla owners are generally a very pleased set of owners. Additionally, let's not kid ourselves, Tesla's are the easiest to live with. Especially when stepping outside the bounds of local trips.
The hit on Teslas, well at least one of them, is "They are not luxury." Some say, "Well, they are premium." "Cheap."
I guess I call them tech. These cars are not for everyone; no vehicle is. For sure these cars are different in many ways; they are not trying to be another traditional vehicle.
Each to their own. I can tell you I am not interested in any other car, but that's just me.

Kinda funny; a lot of Tesla owners around here get sick of some of Elon's wack stuff, but we love the cars!
 
Are they still #1 if subsidies were removed from the equation? Honest question.
Not as much as big oil. The latest USN Super Carrier cost over 13 billion to build and we have 11 of them. The most any other country has is 2. Why do we need 11? Talk about big oil/industrial complex subsidies. And I'm a Republican lol, I truly don't understand the hate on EV's.
 
Not as much as big oil. The latest USN Super Carrier cost over 13 billion to build and we have 11 of them. The most any other country has is 2. Why do we need 11? Talk about big oil/industrial complex subsidies. And I'm a Republican lol, I truly don't understand the hate on EV's.
You are, of course, 100% correct. Patrolling the Persian Gulf ain't cheap. The world runs on oil.
I was considering including other government subsidies in my reply to @SubieRubyRoo , but decided against a "what about" comment.
But for sure the EV subsidies pale as compared to many others.
Plus I don't qualify for the current tax credit. I'm still buying another one.
 
Not as much as big oil. The latest USN Super Carrier cost over 13 billion to build and we have 11 of them. The most any other country has is 2. Why do we need 11? Talk about big oil/industrial complex subsidies. And I'm a Republican lol, I truly don't understand the hate on EV's.
It is quite simple, it is not hate of EV's it is bone head self proclaimed experts of all things green mandating these things without taking into account how they are going to be powered or any details, they just listen to the propaganda like most of the people who buy these cars, the saddest part is they truly believe it.
They seem to think you put a plug in the wall and electricity comes out, we can make it with windmills and sunlight, no nukes they say.
These people are mind friggin themselves into some sort of perverse green orgasm.
 
The hit on Teslas, well at least one of them, is "They are not luxury." Some say, "Well, they are premium." "Cheap."
I guess I call them tech. These cars are not for everyone; no vehicle is. For sure these cars are different in many ways; they are not trying to be another traditional vehicle.
Each to their own. I can tell you I am not interested in any other car, but that's just me.

Kinda funny; a lot of Tesla owners around here get sick of some of Elon's wack stuff, but we love the cars!
Exactly. That's what many people fail to understand. A Tesla is like telling time with an iPhone, while legacy car makers give us everything from Tag to Patek. The Tesla is made of disposable materials and is sleek and minimalist. There is no warmth or ergonomic consideration. It has a ton of data to share, though. The legacy automakers give us fit and finish, there is familiarity and the controls and visuals fall easily to eye and hand, and the seats grip and support.
 
You are, of course, 100% correct. Patrolling the Persian Gulf ain't cheap. The world runs on oil.
I was considering including other government subsidies in my reply to @SubieRubyRoo , but decided against a "what about" comment.
But for sure the EV subsidies pale as compared to many others.
Plus I don't qualify for the current tax credit. I'm still buying another one.
Exactly. My GT got $0 subsidy. If it were totaled today, I'd buy another one tomorrow.
 
Not as much as big oil. The latest USN Super Carrier cost over 13 billion to build and we have 11 of them. The most any other country has is 2. Why do we need 11? Talk about big oil/industrial complex subsidies. And I'm a Republican lol, I truly don't understand the hate on EV's.
We need everyone of them and more.
You are, of course, 100% correct. Patrolling the Persian Gulf ain't cheap. The world runs on oil.
I was considering including other government subsidies in my reply to @SubieRubyRoo , but decided against a "what about" comment.
But for sure the EV subsidies pale as compared to many others.
Plus I don't qualify for the current tax credit. I'm still buying another one.
Don't kid yourself they're needed for a lot more than paroling the Persian Gulf. Give it time we might just need them to assure we get lithium for EV batteries, in addition to keeping China in check.

Regarding the tax credit, if I qualified and they doubled it, I'd still pass. ;)
 
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My fear is aircraft carriers may be the next battleships, basically sitting targets for new technology hard to intercept missiles like hypersonic in a major conflict with another super power. On the other hand we cannot fall into a second rate power either.
 
My fear is aircraft carriers may be the next battleships, basically sitting targets for new technology hard to intercept missiles like hypersonic in a major conflict with another super power. On the other hand we cannot fall into a second rate power either.
Agreed, although they're working on defense against those missiles behind the scenes and we should be GTG very soon if we aren't already. Having said that we should be pumping out more subs too.
 
The hit on Teslas, well at least one of them, is "They are not luxury." Some say, "Well, they are premium." "Cheap."
Except that you'd have to look long and hard to find a conventional engine powered luxury vehicle that is as quiet at lower speeds and general city driving as a Tesla is. Especially when driving aggressively, along with the instant response that no conventional luxury car provides.

The battery pack provides a large under-floor mass for noise and vibration isolation. Not to mention the low center of gravity and weight.

Of course, where Tesla falls within the normal range of interior noise is at 80MPH and up. Aerodynamic or not, Tesla does not put 3 inches of weighted noise insulation inside their cars, nor do they use double glazed windows and other luxury car tricks. So, they typically fall within the very normal upper 60db range, during highway driving. Not better, but not worse.
 
It is quite simple, it is not hate of EV's it is bone head self proclaimed experts of all things green mandating these things without taking into account how they are going to be powered or any details, they just listen to the propaganda like most of the people who buy these cars, the saddest part is they truly believe it.
They seem to think you put a plug in the wall and electricity comes out, we can make it with windmills and sunlight, no nukes they say.
These people are mind friggin themselves into some sort of perverse green orgasm.
Couldn't agree more.

Those who have "EV hate" usually don't hate EVs themselves, but the policies surrounding them. I like EVs, I think they are cool and love the additional options of electric cars, e-bikes, e-scooters, electric power equipment, etc. The issue is when the powers that be tell us that EVs will be our only choice, and if we don't like it, or it doesn't fit our lifestyle, then we have to suck it up for the good of "climate change". I have several friends who love their EVs, but most of them share the following:

1. The EV isn't their only vehicle
2. If it is their only vehicle, they have short commutes or work from home
3. They have the ability to charge at home, at work, or both to make it more economical than gasoline
4. They don't need to tow significant amounts
5. Most make >$100k and "wanted to try one"
 
Couldn't agree more.

Those who have "EV hate" usually don't hate EVs themselves, but the policies surrounding them. I like EVs, I think they are cool and love the additional options of electric cars, e-bikes, e-scooters, electric power equipment, etc. The issue is when the powers that be tell us that EVs will be our only choice, and if we don't like it, or it doesn't fit our lifestyle, then we have to suck it up for the good of "climate change". I have several friends who love their EVs, but most of them share the following:

1. The EV isn't their only vehicle
2. If it is their only vehicle, they have short commutes or work from home
3. They have the ability to charge at home, at work, or both to make it more economical than gasoline
4. They don't need to tow significant amounts
5. Most make >$100k and "wanted to try one"
Your 5 points could be said of many cars.
 
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