No problem with Walmart batteries for me. A store is close by too. Everything is getting expensive. Keep my batteries on maintainers at night. That seems to help make them last longer.
If I could get one of those I wouldn’t be talking about batteries on an oil forum.
I encountered the same problem when I jumped back into casting seriously 15 years ago. I finally just bit the bullet (pun intended) and bought some virgin blended ingots from a company that primarily makes shielding for the nuclear industry. I was surprised they sold to me honestly.This is why lead acid batteries have gone up so high in recent years. Many scrap yards will not sell lead to consumers. Only licensed smelters. Back in the 70's I could get scrap lead cheap most anywhere for casting bullets. Not anymore.
I don’t want this to be a referendum on Costco… we do have a membership, and buy all our gas there, and a lot of other stuff as well.I will start my reply is that Costco is a cult. Yes I go to Costco - my family makes me. They do have some things I like. If I can buy it at Walmart I do instead.
Obviously its where your at, but there are 600 Costco's in the USA and 3500 full service Walmart's (not counting the neighborhood markets). There are Walmarts almost everywhere now - unlike Costco which is major centers only.
The customers at both are jerks. The staff at both are fine if your nice -there both likely used to being treated like jerks so you can't really blame them. Walmart opens at 6AM so I can avoid everyone.
Costco doesn't have a cheap battery. The higher end costco batteries are the same price and same battery Walmart sells (Clarios) with a worse pro-rated warranty, a fact covered here countless times.
Yes, WM Value model buyers are indeed kicking the "battery failure can" down the road, but there could be some logic to that (and I'm testing it now).AGM + Battery Tender is the way to go these days. The folks that are buying a "Value" WM battery are just kicking the cost down the road further when it fails early? I'm sure this is an appeal to resellers but you'll just have to raise the price of the product accordingly like everyone else did.
My 2003 Civic battery was bought in 2017 for $141 and it's still going strong over 8 years later. I realize it could die at any moment, but it still reads 11.5v after sitting overnight and over 12v after a 15 mile drive. I'm going to stay with it til it dies, however long that takes.
All good points, Thank you for sharing them. I go for the MAXX level mainly for higher CCA than the lower tiers so there's another reason to go that direction. I'm all for getting a good value out of something & it sounds like you have it all in order. Yeah, you did get lucky on that battery failure. ha!Yes, WM Value model buyers are indeed kicking the "battery failure can" down the road, but there could be some logic to that (and I'm testing it now).
The most common argument made in support of the WM value batteries is that the price difference between them and other batteries is so large that the breakeven point is well-within their average lifespan (which indeed is fairly short).
To my mind, even if the above argument makes actuarial sense, I wasn't wild about the idea of being stranded somewhere with a dead battery. So, here's the test I initiated:
Last year I decided to go with an Everstart Value in my F-150. The Everstart MAXX (which lasted 8 years nearly to the day) was considerate enough to die (catastrophically) during a start attempt in my driveway, and I didn't want to count on that sort of luck with the new Value model I replaced it with.
So, I got the cheap Harbor Freight load tester, and I test the new Value battery monthly in the hope that I will be able to detect degradation leading to failure in advance and change the battery before that happens.
So, my strategy is to hope the Value lasts 3-5 years (i.e., well beyond the cost breakpoint) and use regular testing to help avoid any bad surprises.
This is an experiment to see if I can find a way to harvest the value out of a Value model without taking on the risk of being stranded.
But if the Value does not last beyond the breakpoint or my regular load testing fails to detect failure in advance, then the result of the experiment will be negative, and I'll bail on the Value and go back to the MAXX.
Actually the price at Walmart was $29 for at leat five years.I think $35 is really cheap for that battery. You sure the $29 price wasn't from it being on sale ?
Look where it's made. Then again, China is the largest supplier of plastic pellets which make the case but the lead is likely recycled in the US so no tariffs on that content would be applicable. The lead is probably the "main" component too (value / volume).
I did that several years back with Linotype. I bought from an outfit, United American Metals. I can't remember what I paid, but it was good metal. It lasted me awhile, because I was cutting it with pure lead.I encountered the same problem when I jumped back into casting seriously 15 years ago. I finally just bit the bullet (pun intended) and bought some virgin blended ingots from a company that primarily makes shielding for the nuclear industry. I was surprised they sold to me honestly.
You and I differ on our feelings about Walmart. Yes, I buy some things at Walmart. But if I can buy things elsewhere, I do.I will start my reply is that Costco is a cult. Yes I go to Costco - my family makes me. They do have some things I like. If I can buy it at Walmart I do instead.
Obviously its where your at, but there are 600 Costco's in the USA and 3500 full service Walmart's (not counting the neighborhood markets). There are Walmarts almost everywhere now - unlike Costco which is major centers only.
The customers at both are jerks. The staff at both are fine if your nice -there both likely used to being treated like jerks so you can't really blame them. Walmart opens at 6AM so I can avoid everyone.
Costco doesn't have a cheap battery. The higher end costco batteries are the same price and same battery Walmart sells (Clarios) with a worse pro-rated warranty, a fact covered here countless times.
How many Costco stores do you visit ?You and I differ on our feelings about Walmart. Yes, I buy some things at Walmart. But if I can buy things elsewhere, I do.
Yup, Walmart definitely has more big boxes than any other discount store type retailer.
Costco growth has changed their customers significantly, but overall I would still rather interact with Costco customers than Walmart customers. I've never seen Costco customers bring their kids to the store in pajamas. Nor have I seen adults wear pajamas to Costco. I try really hard to treat everyone with kindness and respect, and most people reciprocate similarly, so that isn't the issue. It is the ability to carry on a conversation with a cashier on an intelligent level, and get something more than "I don't know" or "This isn't normally my department. I'm just filling in". I also like to have an employee at the auto service counter, something that is hit or miss, all too often miss, at the Walmart stores that I have visited.
I don't like buying a cheap battery, so no problem for me. And it was my experience that the best batteries at Walmart were a few dollars more than the same battery at Costco. Yes, imho Costco really did their customers a raw deal when they went to the prorated 3 year warranty. But even if you are right on prices being equal, I will take my chances with the Costco warranty, so I can avoid the automotive counter at Walmart.
You can buy wherever you like. The battery is the same, the warranty is better at walmart.You and I differ on our feelings about Walmart. Yes, I buy some things at Walmart. But if I can buy things elsewhere, I do.
Yup, Walmart definitely has more big boxes than any other discount store type retailer.
Costco growth has changed their customers significantly, but overall I would still rather interact with Costco customers than Walmart customers. I've never seen Costco customers bring their kids to the store in pajamas. Nor have I seen adults wear pajamas to Costco. I try really hard to treat everyone with kindness and respect, and most people reciprocate similarly, so that isn't the issue. It is the ability to carry on a conversation with a cashier on an intelligent level, and get something more than "I don't know" or "This isn't normally my department. I'm just filling in". I also like to have an employee at the auto service counter, something that is hit or miss, all too often miss, at the Walmart stores that I have visited.
I don't like buying a cheap battery, so no problem for me. And it was my experience that the best batteries at Walmart were a few dollars more than the same battery at Costco. Yes, imho Costco really did their customers a raw deal when they went to the prorated 3 year warranty. But even if you are right on prices being equal, I will take my chances with the Costco warranty, so I can avoid the automotive counter at Walmart.
There are four Costco stores that I frequent. One being closest, is the one I frequent the most. Yes, communication has never been a problem.How many Costco stores do you visit ?
There are probably a majority there that speak English - not at mine …
I would not like it at all if an employee at any store acted entitled, and treated me, the customer, as anything less than the reason they are there. I've never experienced that at a Costco.You can buy wherever you like. The battery is the same, the warranty is better at walmart.
The people in Costco are often entitled jerks that feel its my job to get out of there way. But I will spare you those stories.
If I must visit walmart I go before 7AM. Anyone in there doesn't want to interact with me, nor I them - so we get along great. Anything I can order online I do.
If I have to return a battery I go in the back auto entrance and the ladies at the counter buzz me in and are very nice. Maybe its a Southern thing, or maybe because I treat them nicely first. Maybe both?
The employees are fine at both stores as mentioned. The customers at Costco are the entitled ones. I think there not from around here if you catch my drift.There are four Costco stores that I frequent. One being closest, is the one I frequent the most. Yes, communication has never been a problem.
I would not like it at all if an employee at any store acted entitled, and treated me, the customer, as anything less than the reason they are there. I've never experienced that at a Costco.
You are so fortunate that there is a lady at the counter to buzz you in. More than once I have went to the auto service door at a Walmart, and no one has been inside, to buzz me in.
P.S. I used to live in Cheraw SC, so I totally know what you mean about a Southern thing. So it really surprises me that the people at SC Costco would be any different.
Did you work for Schaeffler in Cheraw by chance - or maybe Delta faucet when it was open?
There is a walmart in Cheraw. No costco.![]()
The battery is simply for starting, and a bit of a buffer. The alternator runs everything.Im surprised that more cars haven't gone with a two battery setup due to all of the electronics.
The Audi Q7, and a few others have two 12v batteries.The battery is simply for starting, and a bit of a buffer. The alternator runs everything.
So often though, you see newer cars that go haywire when their battery isn't 'capable' enough. The dashboards light up like Christmas trees and every sensor is triggered and shows failures (ABS, electric power steering, safety sensors, and so on). 9 out of 10 times, it's just a battery that needs replaced, not a failing alternator. I thought once the car is running, as long as the alternator is charging at 13+ volts, all should be okay.The battery is simply for starting, and a bit of a buffer. The alternator runs everything.