Volvo V40 turbo - very short daily trips

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: FoxS

M1 0w40 is an excellent oil. I have it in my wife's Mercedes which gets short trips exactly like your Volvo. But I also make sure it gets out on long trips and drive it as fast as possible. But above all, it's an oil that meets the spec for the vehicle.


Actually, it doesn't.


I was referring to my wife's Mercedes not the OPs Volvo

 

[kr_bitog]

1. If I continue to use Mobil1 0W40, how short should my OCI be?
7500-10000 km

2. If it is better to continue using synthetics, is 0W40 still the best weight? Or should I get a thinner viscosity oil with the oil hardly getting enough time to be fully warmed up?
Yes, even though good quality 30 weight may also suitable if the manual allow this viscosity

3. Just a thought, if my OCI would be short, would it be more cost effective to use a good quality dino and change it more often? Any problems with the engine being a turbo if I use a dino oil? The manual does specify synthetics but I also reckon they don't foresee the car subjecting to such short trips daily.

Good quality dino may also be suitable with short OCI, however need to do UOA to make sure the fuel dilution does not impact the quality. For turbo, synthetic is still preferred.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use M1 0W40 and follow the OM recommendation for a severe service OCI. Once a month or so try and get the car out for a 30 minute run to burn off the junk building up in the oil. A UOA would be nice if you can get one done.


I'm curious why you would recommend a lubricant that is thicker than recommended by the manufacturer for ANY conditions, let alone being driven for 5 minutes at a time? What benefit do you feel it would provide?


That's what he's been using and he doesn't live in the USA. Besides M1 0W40 is probably the very best oil made by Mobil it will do just fine in that application.

 

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
1. If I continue to use Mobil1 0W40, how short should my OCI be?
7500-10000 km

Manufacturer oci for severe service. Having said that 0w40 is very robust so an UOA will likely indicate longer. Eg my oci is 12 months / 10k so Mercedes believe oil like 0w40 can last 12 months under any conditions

2. If it is better to continue using synthetics, is 0W40 still the best weight? Or should I get a thinner viscosity oil with the oil hardly getting enough time to be fully warmed up?
Yes, even though good quality 30 weight may also suitable if the manual allow this viscosity

I think the 30 weight is more desirable than the 40 weight given your planned usage. So if the manual allows either weight, and I could find a 30 weight that met spec, then go with the 30.

3. Just a thought, if my OCI would be short, would it be more cost effective to use a good quality dino and change it more often? Any problems with the engine being a turbo if I use a dino oil? The manual does specify synthetics but I also reckon they don't foresee the car subjecting to such short trips daily.

Do what the manual says.

Good quality dino may also be suitable with short OCI, however need to do UOA to make sure the fuel dilution does not impact the quality. For turbo, synthetic is still preferred.

 

[FoxS]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: JOD

I'm curious why you would recommend a lubricant that is thicker than recommended by the manufacturer for ANY conditions, let alone being driven for 5 minutes at a time? What benefit do you feel it would provide?


That's what he's been using and he doesn't live in the USA. Besides M1 0W40 is probably the very best oil made by Mobil it will do just fine in that application.


You can't argue with that JOD. He doesn't live in the US so the best oil is a grade thicker than the manufacturer recommends outside the US.

If he was in the US he should go 2 grades thicker just to be safe

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use M1 0W40 and follow the OM recommendation for a severe service OCI. Once a month or so try and get the car out for a 30 minute run to burn off the junk building up in the oil. A UOA would be nice if you can get one done.


I'm curious why you would recommend a lubricant that is thicker than recommended by the manufacturer for ANY conditions, let alone being driven for 5 minutes at a time? What benefit do you feel it would provide?


That's what he's been using and he doesn't live in the USA. Besides M1 0W40 is probably the very best oil made by Mobil it will do just fine in that application.


1) the usage pattern for the car is changing significantly. Why should he default to "doing what he's doing"

2) what on earth does "he's not in the USA" have to do with anything? The car calls for an A1-rated oil in other markets as well.

3) "very best" doesn't equal most suitable. I'm sure it's a great lubricant, but it's not the most suitable option. No, I don't think it's going to blow up his car or anything, but there are better options.

So, I'm going to ask again: what is the benefit of using an oil thicker than specified?

 

[FoxS]

He must be in agreement with skyship. He's the only other poster who routinely recommends going one or two grades thicker than the manufacturer recommendation.

Or he knows something the engineers don't.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use M1 0W40 and follow the OM recommendation for a severe service OCI. Once a month or so try and get the car out for a 30 minute run to burn off the junk building up in the oil. A UOA would be nice if you can get one done.


I'm curious why you would recommend a lubricant that is thicker than recommended by the manufacturer for ANY conditions, let alone being driven for 5 minutes at a time? What benefit do you feel it would provide?


That's what he's been using and he doesn't live in the USA. Besides M1 0W40 is probably the very best oil made by Mobil it will do just fine in that application.


1) the usage pattern for the car is changing significantly. Why should he default to "doing what he's doing"

2) what on earth does "he's not in the USA" have to do with anything? The car calls for an A1-rated oil in other markets as well.

3) "very best" doesn't equal most suitable. I'm sure it's a great lubricant, but it's not the most suitable option. No, I don't think it's going to blow up his car or anything, but there are better options.

So, I'm going to ask again: what is the benefit of using an oil thicker than specified?


So you and Mark hooked up and are double teaming me again.
I'll reply. With a question first. I'm not the only person who recommended a M1 0W40, why not ask the others too while you'e at it? He's used M1 0W40 before, its a high VI oil which you like, and one of the very best made by Mobil do you really think he's going to have a problem with it? His only problem might be sludge from the short trips, and M1 0W40 will be very good at combating that. I also suggested he tries and runs the car from time to time for 30 minutes or so to burn off the junk. Malaysia temps are hot year round, so a 0W40 synthetic won't be a problem in his turbo Volvo engine. Those short trips might cause excess fuel dilution, the OP also mentioned a UOA was something that he probably couldn't or wouldn't do. So that 30 grade oil could easily drop out of grade. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I see one thing though, you like to attack my opinion when it isn't the same as yours.

The OP can make a decision based on info gathered here, once again there was more than one vote for M1 0W40, and Skyship wasn't the only other member suggesting it.


I'll reply to Mark's provocative comments here: LOL

 

[FoxS]

Didn't see anyone attacking you and it certainly wasn't meant as an attack.

Thanks for confirming it was another "JMO"

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: FoxS
Didn't see anyone attacking you and it certainly wasn't meant as an attack.

Thanks for confirming it was another "JMO"



Thanks for clearing that up, but what are your opinions then?

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: foxs
I have it in my wife's Mercedes which gets short trips exactly like your Volvo

Foxs/mark/mori your wifes Mercedes? Is that the same one you couldn't post a pic of the owners manual too?

Your a pot stirring troll Mori.
Originally Posted By: Demarpaint
So you and Mark hooked up and are double teaming me again.

Sure they are Frank! Plenty of google/lubes and greases experts are in this thread along with a tall tale teller and a troll.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1 0w40 in his car with the filter changed every OC. Leave it in 2 years and be done with it.
You know that, i know that, they know that too. These guys are just trying to prove who read lubes and greases more thoroughly thats all.
It inflates their ego's.

Patience Frank, every dog has his day.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: foxs
I have it in my wife's Mercedes which gets short trips exactly like your Volvo

Foxs/mark/mori your wifes Mercedes? Is that the same one you couldn't post a pic of the owners manual too?

Your a pot stirring troll Mori.
Originally Posted By: Demarpaint
So you and Mark hooked up and are double teaming me again.

Sure they are Frank! Plenty of google/lubes and greases experts are in this thread along with a tall tale teller and a troll.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1 0w40 in his car with the filter changed every OC. Leave it in 2 years and be done with it.
You know that, i know that, they know that too. These guys are just trying to prove who read lubes and greases more thoroughly thats all.
It inflates their ego's.

Patience Frank, every dog has his day.


LOL..................

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use M1 0W40 and follow the OM recommendation for a severe service OCI. Once a month or so try and get the car out for a 30 minute run to burn off the junk building up in the oil. A UOA would be nice if you can get one done.


This is the best advice.

Take it from a 2 x Volvo owner - we've got the same basic engine in our cars...the only reason that I don't have M1 0W40 in the cars right now is that I got the M1 5W40 for $0.98/QT and the PU 5W30 for $1.98/QT (no, those are not typos...). If I were to head down to the parts store, I would stock up on M1 0W40 for my Volvos. Particularly for the short trips, that 0W will help a lot and the oil has a strong add pack. I UOA'd M1 0W40 in my T5 after 7,500 miles of around town driving in the HP turbo engine - still had a strong TBN...I could have gone longer...

 

[Astro14]

I should also point out that M1 0W40 is what I have in my "baby"...the twin-turbo, V-12 S600...and there are 12 QTS of M1 0W40 on the garage shelf for the next change/top-off in that car...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use M1 0W40 and follow the OM recommendation for a severe service OCI. Once a month or so try and get the car out for a 30 minute run to burn off the junk building up in the oil. A UOA would be nice if you can get one done.


This is the best advice.

Take it from a 2 x Volvo owner - we've got the same basic engine in our cars...the only reason that I don't have M1 0W40 in the cars right now is that I got the M1 5W40 for $0.98/QT and the PU 5W30 for $1.98/QT (no, those are not typos...). If I were to head down to the parts store, I would stock up on M1 0W40 for my Volvos. Particularly for the short trips, that 0W will help a lot and the oil has a strong add pack. I UOA'd M1 0W40 in my T5 after 7,500 miles of around town driving in the HP turbo engine - still had a strong TBN...I could have gone longer...


I see I'm in good company. Thanks!

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: foxs
I have it in my wife's Mercedes which gets short trips exactly like your Volvo

Foxs/mark/mori your wifes Mercedes? Is that the same one you couldn't post a pic of the owners manual too?

Your a pot stirring troll Mori.
Originally Posted By: Demarpaint
So you and Mark hooked up and are double teaming me again.

Sure they are Frank! Plenty of google/lubes and greases experts are in this thread along with a tall tale teller and a troll.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1 0w40 in his car with the filter changed every OC. Leave it in 2 years and be done with it.
You know that, i know that, they know that too. These guys are just trying to prove who read lubes and greases more thoroughly thats all.
It inflates their ego's.

Patience Frank, every dog has his day.


Actually, no--I've just owned a lot of Volvos. No one of course actually answered the question though as to why a thicker lubed that specified is going to help for someone driving the car 5 minutes at a time.

And Frank, I'm not sure what you're talking about. My first comment on this was directed to Skyship, so I'm not sure why you thinking I'm "teaming up on your". The fact is it's a poor recommendation, and your own desire to be "right" seems to be getting in the way of offering good advice. So, go on attacking the messenger.

And Trav, you're the one devoloving into personal attacks, as seen above. What is "trolling" about my question?

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
I should also point out that M1 0W40 is what I have in my "baby"...the twin-turbo, V-12 S600...and there are 12 QTS of M1 0W40 on the garage shelf for the next change/top-off in that car...


I used it in my R as well, along with a lot of other A3-rated oils; but the OP has a low-boost engine and it's going to be driven 5 minutes at a time. As I said earlier before the name-calling began, I don't think M1 0W40 is going to blow up is engine. I just think there are more suitable options.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: foxs
I have it in my wife's Mercedes which gets short trips exactly like your Volvo

Foxs/mark/mori your wifes Mercedes? Is that the same one you couldn't post a pic of the owners manual too?

Your a pot stirring troll Mori.
Originally Posted By: Demarpaint
So you and Mark hooked up and are double teaming me again.

Sure they are Frank! Plenty of google/lubes and greases experts are in this thread along with a tall tale teller and a troll.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1 0w40 in his car with the filter changed every OC. Leave it in 2 years and be done with it.
You know that, i know that, they know that too. These guys are just trying to prove who read lubes and greases more thoroughly thats all.
It inflates their ego's.

Patience Frank, every dog has his day.


Actually, no--I've just owned a lot of Volvos. No one of course actually answered the question though as to why a thicker lubed that specified is going to help for someone driving the car 5 minutes at a time.

And Frank, I'm not sure what you're talking about. My first comment on this was directed to Skyship, so I'm not sure why you thinking I'm "teaming up on your". The fact is it's a poor recommendation, and your own desire to be "right" seems to be getting in the way of offering good advice. So, go on attacking the messenger.

And Trav, you're the one devoloving into personal attacks, as seen above. What is "trolling" about my question?


Ok so you were referring to Skyship, that's fine.

You're entitled to make a recommendation, and so am I. Some agree, in fact a Volvo owner agrees, and a very good mechanic/technician, you don't that's your right. As far as giving bad advise, that's just your opinion. An explanation for my suggestion was asked for and I gave it, here it is again: [Those short trips might cause excess fuel dilution, the OP also mentioned a UOA was something that he probably couldn't or wouldn't do. So that 30 grade oil could easily drop out of grade.] Hasn't it been said here 30 grade oil drops to 20 grade oil in a short period of time? With those short trips, his hot climate, and the risk of fuel dilution, I'd say that's a safe bet. Remember no UOA. So there is my reasoning, along with the fact that Mobil 1 0W40 is one of the best oils made.

Attacking the messenger? Hardly, I made a suggestion, then came the attacks and sarcasm from the peanut gallery. My recommendation was attacked, and then challenged by you. The rest is history. If you don't like me or my recommendations, the Ignore list can be very helpful.

I sure hope this doesn't turn into a pizzzzzzzzzn contest.

 

[JOD]

Frank, I just asked a pretty simple question: why use an oil thicker than specified for a guy driving 5 minutes at a time. For that, I get accused of "ganging up on you" (by you) and called a troll by Trav. Seriously, what am I missing here. It's a legitimate question.

To the rest of your comment, it's funny. It seems that offering the best advice to the OP doesn't seem to be at issue for some, but "being right" does. No one can seriously believe that using an oil thicker than specified by the OEM actually makes sense given these driving conditions?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Frank, I just asked a pretty simple question: why use an oil thicker than specified for a guy driving 5 minutes at a time. For that, I get accused of "ganging up on you" (by you) and called a troll by Trav. Seriously, what am I missing here. It's a legitimate question.



I answered it twice now. Why not ask the others who gave the same recommendation as I did? See their reasoning as well. I can't answer for them.