Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: CKN
Gm man-your certainly entitled to your preferences. It the gross generalizations.....about Chinese products i.e. tires that are the issue from others on this board. As another poster said...if its not Michelin its not any good. Of course possible compound changes of Michelin tires and the seemingly tire life and reported dry rot issues are ignored.
One of my concerns with China-sourced products not produced under strict supervision by a non-Chinese parent company is the substitution of components to cheapen the product. Even WITH supervision, this has happened. I am sure if we take pause to think about it there are a myriad of examples that come to mind. Poisoned pet foot, leaded paint on kids toys, defective capacitors on motherboards, catching fire lithium Ion batteries, catching fire chargers...etc. Cisco had a line of their IP phones that were affected by a substituted component on the board inside them causing them to be unreliable and fail boot. They were recalled and Cisco issued a document regarding why, indicating the issue. That the component substituted by the manufacturing facility was not of Cisco-spec quality. And Cisco is a company that has some serious QC in place.
The Getrag transmission for member bdcardinal's Mustang (this was the replacement transmission for his defective first transmission) is a product of the Ford/Getrag Chinese joint venture. The casting quality is awful (something common with castings I've seen come out of China) and they forgot to put the front seal in yet it had the big sticker on it saying it passed inspection
Yes, China has the ABILITY to produce a product of any quality. But what many have discovered when setting up facilities to capitalize on that cheap labour is that you need to watch them like a hawk with multi-stage QC and constant supervision because they will cut corners whenever they can get away with it.
So then when NOT supervised in that manner, what exactly are you getting? Something the quality of those Chinese 4-wheelers that look the part but are structurally nowhere near their Japanese counterparts?
They seem to have no problem shamelessly ripping off other people's designs, showing absolutely no regard for copyrights or copyright laws. What sort of reassurance is there that they take a different stance on safety standards?
And this is avoiding the discussion about COO and buying products produced in countries with a similar standard of living as our own in order to maintain it.
Overkill said what I really meant to say. The Chinese are more than capable of producing quality tires as long as they are under a good company. I would prefer a US made tire but I wouldn't say not to buy a Pirelli made in China.
Originally Posted By: CKN
Gm man-your certainly entitled to your preferences. It the gross generalizations.....about Chinese products i.e. tires that are the issue from others on this board. As another poster said...if its not Michelin its not any good. Of course possible compound changes of Michelin tires and the seemingly tire life and reported dry rot issues are ignored.
One of my concerns with China-sourced products not produced under strict supervision by a non-Chinese parent company is the substitution of components to cheapen the product. Even WITH supervision, this has happened. I am sure if we take pause to think about it there are a myriad of examples that come to mind. Poisoned pet foot, leaded paint on kids toys, defective capacitors on motherboards, catching fire lithium Ion batteries, catching fire chargers...etc. Cisco had a line of their IP phones that were affected by a substituted component on the board inside them causing them to be unreliable and fail boot. They were recalled and Cisco issued a document regarding why, indicating the issue. That the component substituted by the manufacturing facility was not of Cisco-spec quality. And Cisco is a company that has some serious QC in place.
The Getrag transmission for member bdcardinal's Mustang (this was the replacement transmission for his defective first transmission) is a product of the Ford/Getrag Chinese joint venture. The casting quality is awful (something common with castings I've seen come out of China) and they forgot to put the front seal in yet it had the big sticker on it saying it passed inspection
Yes, China has the ABILITY to produce a product of any quality. But what many have discovered when setting up facilities to capitalize on that cheap labour is that you need to watch them like a hawk with multi-stage QC and constant supervision because they will cut corners whenever they can get away with it.
So then when NOT supervised in that manner, what exactly are you getting? Something the quality of those Chinese 4-wheelers that look the part but are structurally nowhere near their Japanese counterparts?
They seem to have no problem shamelessly ripping off other people's designs, showing absolutely no regard for copyrights or copyright laws. What sort of reassurance is there that they take a different stance on safety standards?
And this is avoiding the discussion about COO and buying products produced in countries with a similar standard of living as our own in order to maintain it.
Overkill said what I really meant to say. The Chinese are more than capable of producing quality tires as long as they are under a good company. I would prefer a US made tire but I wouldn't say not to buy a Pirelli made in China.
