Venezuela Arrests US Chevron Employees for Treason

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It seems really unwise for a failing country to screw with a multi national billion dollar corporation.
 
I doubt they'll be executed or even waterboarded (it's not NK) but will be held for leverage until the government / PDVSA gets what it wants.

Clarification - the arrested infividuals are Venezuelan citizens employed by Chevron.

It still kinda rocks the heavy oil supply world & OPEC. Who will want to JV or do business with PDVSA going forward, with concerns about getting paid for what you supply? Why set quotas for production when production is about half the pre-Chavez era with a way bigger work force (like 10X larger IIRC), and dropping? Not even China is really taking any overt steps to prop up this current regime.
 
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Just to add some historical context, Harry Truman, when he was a mere senator, wanted Walter C Teagle, the then head of Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon), tried for treason!

Why? Well in the inter-war years, Standard Oil had an agreement with Germany's IG Farben that Standard would stay out of the chemicals business if IG Farben stayed out of the oil business. So the world's first Pour Point Depressant (a chlorinated wax naphthalene condensate) was developed in Germany but passed over the fence to Standard Oil while the world's first synthetic rubbers came out of the labs in Jersey but were fed directly through to IG Farben.

Everything worked swimmingly until that funny little man with the funny little moustache started acting up and jackbooting his way across Europe. At which point synthetic rubber became key to the German war effort. The situation became acutely worse after Malaya fell to the Japanese, cutting off the supply of natural rubber to the Allies. But Mr Teagle and his mates, believed in the 'sanctity of the contract' and felt that it would be terribly bad form to tell the American government about what they knew about synthetic rubber. Luckily for us all, Harry got wind of what they were up to and bulgeoned them into behaving nicely.

So maybe what the Venezuelans are doing has precedent...

Oh, and while we're talking about double standards, it's not just the North Koreans that go in for water-boarding is it? No amount of weasel words will change the fact that you lowered yourselves and went down that path. Take the shame...
 
Originally Posted By: double vanos
This is why I’m not interested in foreign travel.


Definitely not for certain minded people who paint the entire world outside the US the same.
 
To be perfectly clear I certainly am not in support of jumping to that harsh level of treatment right out of the box. Absolutely no. There have been interviews where just someone bringing in some cookies and a drink actually got a person to talk rather easily. I would be just fine and pleased with that. However, if someone is truly recalcitrant and will not talk after a high number of numerous attempts to get that person to cooperate then I say then do whatever is necessary.


It is people like you who forget about what the Japanese army did to the Chinese prior to and during WWII... Killing millions of innocent civilians... Yet it is people like you who raise an issue with the US use of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

It's people like you who forgot what people went through on those floors in two high rise buildings... Leading to people having to leap out of the building to their deaths because it was so hot they couldn't stand it. It's people like you who did NOT receive phone calls from those people on those floors telling their families good bye because they KNEW they were going to die from either asphyxiation or searing heat.... It's people like you who forget that INNOCENT people called their loved one on commercial airliners knowing that they were going to be obliterated flying into buildings and telling them their loved ones good bye... It's people like you who forget that many police officers and firefighters died when a high rise building collapsed upon them with no remains ever to be found.... Because their bodies we're incinerated by the fires that burned for weeks afterwards... It's people like you who forget that it was those type of animals that behead those who don't believe as they do... Or burn people alive in cages... It's people like you who forget that those people are willing to drive a large truck into large crowds and turn what was just a half second earlier a live and fully functioning human being into.... A broken body left on that street, with all color gone, blood coming from different places, and was another person's loved one... Is now a dead person. I strongly suggest you watch that video of that individual who drove that truck into that crowd... Look at the video of what I just described.... It is people like you who forget that these types of individuals who take the life's of many with "illegal" weapons and mow down anyone in their sight... Or cowards like these individuals who make homemade bombs to unleash on innocent civilians. It is people like you who turn a blind eye to the devastation created by all these types of people in this world.... Yet you have the pompousness, arrogance, blissful and willful ignorance to ignore all of the totally unnecessary death, terrific suffering both physically and emotionally brought on by those individuals and the maimed bodies, broken families, and destroyed lives produced by those other individuals. Yet you want to attempt to stand up as some harbinger of "virtue" or "righteousness" because someone else is willing to do what is truly and totally necessary to take out those responsible for a litany of acts of evil against truly innocent people.

You stand up for the "rights" of the masterminds of large acts of evil against civilians... Without any thought of what the original victims actually went through, what other people had to witness and suffered because of what they saw, what those victims suffered, and how their families suffer until this day... As if your "moral superiority" somehow means anything in reality at all. Your "moral superiority" is nothing more than an useless exercise to somehow pat your egotistical self on the back. And that truly is doing nothing at all but serving yourself.

It is the jellyfish invertebrates who lack the backbone to do what is sometimes necessary that leads to the rise of the likes of Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, those individuals who's flag has the slice of the moon on it, red spot on it with red stripes radiating out from it. It is those lacking a backbone who give strength to those who would and do commit acts of horrific evil upon innocent people. It is those who are unwilling to do what needs to be done who would not give any justice to those who died at the hands of those animals. Just like what happened in the case of Bin Laden... If this world is to be run by arrogant, self righteous, egotistical, pompous, self congratulatory types, and moral equivalence nonsense then the resulting world will be run by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, followers of the slice moon on their flag. This world will devolve into absolute unconscionable evil with no end.


Your supposed "shame"... What a joke. Go on support those individual's "rights" who are actually captured after they willingly drove a 18 wheeler truck over your entire family. How about if those individuals mowed your family down with a illegal weapons, or flew your loved ones into a building while they were on a commercial airliner going 500 mph, or blew up your family members into bits after self detonating a bomb near an airport. And your government needed that information to track down the real masterminds behind those events.. I say do whatever is necessary. You say don't hurt the nice little evildoers.. that's not right. Garbage. Absolutely garbage.
 
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SoJ:
While I value your knowledge on oils...I have ZERO shame for waterboarding if it saved innocent lives. As I understand it, waterboarding doesn't hurt the person but scares the sh*t out of them.

PS: If you want to talk about 'shame' you should look into English history a little more.....letting my ancestors starve while taking all the food back to feed your people.....and that's only one example.....
 
BBHero,

Okay. Do you feel better having got all that off your chest?

I do realise it must have taken ages to type out & edit and I did start to read it but I gave up after the first paragraph. It's so obviously a hysterical rant from someone that's addicted to synthetic, self-righteous anger. You're not alone. We have people over here just like you but this kind of thing, it's no good for your health, you know?

Oh, one last thing. Bulk doesn't win arguments. Why don't you have another go but be more concise next time and do try and think what point you want to make.

We all good now?
 
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Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
BBHero,

Okay. Do you feel better having got all that off your chest?

I do realise it must have taken ages to type out & edit and I did start to read it but I gave up after the first paragraph. It's so obviously a hysterical rant from someone that's addicted to synthetic, self-righteous anger. You're not alone. We have people over here just like you but this of thing, it's no good for your health, you know?

Oh, one last thing. Bulk doesn't win arguments. Why don't you have another go but be more concise next time and do try and think what point you want to make.

We all good now?


A little self righteous maybe? Or is it just narcissism?
 
Oil exporting countries always like for the price of oil to go up. A move like these arrests, which makes investors more nervous and uncertain will do that.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
I'll be 'concise'
As I stated in my last post....the British have a lot to be ASHAMED of....



I fully agree. We started the modern slave trade, the modern drug trade (Chinese opium) and we invented the concentration camp (the Boer War). The Union Jack is known as 'the butcher's apron' with a certain amount of justification.

However we do try and be a better nation now. We had 30 years of the IRA troubles with 3,000 dead and countless lives ruined. In that time, we managed to resist resorting to torturing suspects, not because it wouldn't have yielded information but because it would have poured even more petrol on the fire. Nothing fires up recruits for terror than accusations of government torture!


I do think that, wherever you come from, any perceived slight on your nationhood, if it's true, should be accepted and not blindly rejected. Reacting with a teenage hissy fit and endless rant just makes you look a bit silly.
 
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Reacting with a teenage hissy fit and endless rant just makes you look a bit silly.

At times it pays to look in the mirror
 
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Oh, and while we're talking about double standards, it's not just the North Koreans that go in for water-boarding is it? No amount of weasel words will change the fact that you lowered yourselves and went down that path. Take the shame...
Because the Europeans are too cowardly to do it, the Americans have to. Remember WWII when the Americans "lowered themselves" to save France and G.B.? hmmmmm...... Sometimes we have to fight, when others run for their closet.
 
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Oh, and while we're talking about double standards, it's not just the North Koreans that go in for water-boarding is it? No amount of weasel words will change the fact that you lowered yourselves and went down that path. Take the shame...
Because the Europeans are too cowardly to do it, the Americans have to. Remember WWII when the Americans "lowered themselves" to save France and G.B.? hmmmmm...... Sometimes we have to fight, when others run for their closet.

It's not bravery to torture someone... It just shows that some people have low morals and that the line between being the "good guys" and the "bad guys" can get awful thin.
I can understand the thinking behind using torture, but takes more guts and perhaps lives to do the right thing. But isn't that the point of defending your country? Because its for the "good guys", not the "good when its convenient or public guys".
 
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