Stupid. stupid. The EPA and Government and other Blah Blah Blah organizations need to leave the car companies alone so America can actually have fun with their cars agin.
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Vehicles may get letter grades for fuel efficiency
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Originally Posted By: Troy_Built
Stupid. stupid. The EPA and Government and other Blah Blah Blah organizations need to leave the car companies alone so America can actually have fun with their cars agin.
IDK, I can't imagine the fun I'd have if oil got ridiculously expensive, or if I couldn't tell some avowed enemy overseas to stick it, because they have black gold under their sandals...
Stupid. stupid. The EPA and Government and other Blah Blah Blah organizations need to leave the car companies alone so America can actually have fun with their cars agin.
IDK, I can't imagine the fun I'd have if oil got ridiculously expensive, or if I couldn't tell some avowed enemy overseas to stick it, because they have black gold under their sandals...
I consider MPGs but I do not care about emissions, the most polluting new car new car is still plenty clean.
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Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
It's a step up from the colour coded national security scheme. They're giving us a little more credit in the IQ department, but still speaks volumes about the consumer's general level of intellect. When they start using Sesame Street character heads as a rating system, then you'll know it's beyond the point of return.
Naw, this will be a good thing.....the manufacturers can take the Garanimals approach. If your car has a "Big Bird" rating and you need new tires, you can look for tires also carrying the "Big Bird" tag. If you find "Oscar the Grouch" rated tires, you know they're the wrong ones!
hilarious!
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
It's a step up from the colour coded national security scheme. They're giving us a little more credit in the IQ department, but still speaks volumes about the consumer's general level of intellect. When they start using Sesame Street character heads as a rating system, then you'll know it's beyond the point of return.
Naw, this will be a good thing.....the manufacturers can take the Garanimals approach. If your car has a "Big Bird" rating and you need new tires, you can look for tires also carrying the "Big Bird" tag. If you find "Oscar the Grouch" rated tires, you know they're the wrong ones!
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Art history major here who thinks this is a dumb idea. Sounds like an engineer's idea of how to raise a smokescreen. Art historians know how to hide the meaning of something if they want to, while still providing a clue. Read or see the Da Vinci Code!
Art history major here who thinks this is a dumb idea. Sounds like an engineer's idea of how to raise a smokescreen. Art historians know how to hide the meaning of something if they want to, while still providing a clue. Read or see the Da Vinci Code!
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I don't look at gas mileage to pick a car. i look at what i need it to do and what it costs to buy. If it fulfills the duties i need i don't give a hoot about the fuel mileage
Another dumb idea from the Government I give them an F.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I don't look at gas mileage to pick a car. i look at what i need it to do and what it costs to buy. If it fulfills the duties i need i don't give a hoot about the fuel mileage
Well, you have to consider utility versus fuel economy, for sure.
If I actually need an Avalanche, a Prius isn't going to work.
OTOH, if I need a fifty mile per day commuter, there are better choices than the Avalanche.
I think every car buyer already knows this.
I saw an article about the proposed letter grade system in today's WSJ, and I thought it was elitist nonsense.
The average buyer can figure out for himself what he needs, versus what he wants, as well as what he can afford to run.
I don't think too many folks need a new Ferrari, but if they want one and can afford one, I don't think the "D" grade would influence their choice.
It isn't as though the average SUV or performance car buyer thinks that they're getting a fuel conserving machine.
I don't look at gas mileage to pick a car. i look at what i need it to do and what it costs to buy. If it fulfills the duties i need i don't give a hoot about the fuel mileage
Well, you have to consider utility versus fuel economy, for sure.
If I actually need an Avalanche, a Prius isn't going to work.
OTOH, if I need a fifty mile per day commuter, there are better choices than the Avalanche.
I think every car buyer already knows this.
I saw an article about the proposed letter grade system in today's WSJ, and I thought it was elitist nonsense.
The average buyer can figure out for himself what he needs, versus what he wants, as well as what he can afford to run.
I don't think too many folks need a new Ferrari, but if they want one and can afford one, I don't think the "D" grade would influence their choice.
It isn't as though the average SUV or performance car buyer thinks that they're getting a fuel conserving machine.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Actually the labels are pretty good, and I guess it is good to see how each vehicle rates for mileage in the whole spectrum of available cars.
A key piece of info missing on the electric hybrids is what speed the electric motor is active too. For my highway commute, probably 1/3 of the distance could be powered by a small electric motor if it ran at 55-65mph.
Grades are a good idea. With MPG, a reasonable consumer doesn't know about the available ranges - i.e. is 20 MPG good or bad? Ask my wife and she will say "I don't know" and she will not care either.
With a letter grade, we will have a very familiar scheme and a point of reference to make such judgment.
Actually the labels are pretty good, and I guess it is good to see how each vehicle rates for mileage in the whole spectrum of available cars.
A key piece of info missing on the electric hybrids is what speed the electric motor is active too. For my highway commute, probably 1/3 of the distance could be powered by a small electric motor if it ran at 55-65mph.
Grades are a good idea. With MPG, a reasonable consumer doesn't know about the available ranges - i.e. is 20 MPG good or bad? Ask my wife and she will say "I don't know" and she will not care either.
With a letter grade, we will have a very familiar scheme and a point of reference to make such judgment.
A bunch of MPG per somethings would be much more useful. I'd like to see a list of cars that have MPG/vehicle volume, MPG/cargo space, MPG/curb weight. Numbers like that would reveal who has cutting edge high efficiency designs and who's selling us the same inefficient trash year after year.
Comparing a Prius to a Super Duty really isn't helpful. Two cars with the same cargo space with one getting a lot better MPG would reveal a lot.
Comparing a Prius to a Super Duty really isn't helpful. Two cars with the same cargo space with one getting a lot better MPG would reveal a lot.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
No, thank god. The government is now going to use this letter grade system to steer people into "green" cars. This all goes back to a political/economic strategy based on junk science.
Geez, you guys aren't giving the public any more credit for intelligence than you claim the government is. The MPG numbers are still on the labels! Just like they've always been. You guys are complaining that they're taking away data, when in fact, they're proving more data. And your argument against providing more data is consumers aren't smart enough to know what it means. But that was your complaint about the government also, assuming consumers are too stupid to know what a MPG number means.
You can't have an argument both ways.
No, thank god. The government is now going to use this letter grade system to steer people into "green" cars. This all goes back to a political/economic strategy based on junk science.
Geez, you guys aren't giving the public any more credit for intelligence than you claim the government is. The MPG numbers are still on the labels! Just like they've always been. You guys are complaining that they're taking away data, when in fact, they're proving more data. And your argument against providing more data is consumers aren't smart enough to know what it means. But that was your complaint about the government also, assuming consumers are too stupid to know what a MPG number means.
You can't have an argument both ways.
sorry but anyone can look at the Window sticker and see what the
MPG rating it. Dont need yet another stupid Federal regulation.
This is just a political agenda, just like the stupid graphic on the sticker on how the car is per pollution.
Myself my next car will be a hemi Challanger so I will get a D- for the greenies but A+ from people who like cars
I wonder how many millions the Feds have wasted studying this program.
Just another glaring example of Federal Waste of the taxpayers money!
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Actually the labels are pretty good, and I guess it is good to see how each vehicle rates for mileage in the whole spectrum of available cars.
A key piece of info missing on the electric hybrids is what speed the electric motor is active too. For my highway commute, probably 1/3 of the distance could be powered by a small electric motor if it ran at 55-65mph.
Grades are a good idea. With MPG, a reasonable consumer doesn't know about the available ranges - i.e. is 20 MPG good or bad? Ask my wife and she will say "I don't know" and she will not care either.
With a letter grade, we will have a very familiar scheme and a point of reference to make such judgment.
MPG rating it. Dont need yet another stupid Federal regulation.
This is just a political agenda, just like the stupid graphic on the sticker on how the car is per pollution.
Myself my next car will be a hemi Challanger so I will get a D- for the greenies but A+ from people who like cars
I wonder how many millions the Feds have wasted studying this program.
Just another glaring example of Federal Waste of the taxpayers money!
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Actually the labels are pretty good, and I guess it is good to see how each vehicle rates for mileage in the whole spectrum of available cars.
A key piece of info missing on the electric hybrids is what speed the electric motor is active too. For my highway commute, probably 1/3 of the distance could be powered by a small electric motor if it ran at 55-65mph.
Grades are a good idea. With MPG, a reasonable consumer doesn't know about the available ranges - i.e. is 20 MPG good or bad? Ask my wife and she will say "I don't know" and she will not care either.
With a letter grade, we will have a very familiar scheme and a point of reference to make such judgment.
Originally Posted By: Troy_Built
Stupid. stupid. The EPA and Government and other Blah Blah Blah organizations need to leave the car companies alone so America can actually have fun with their cars agin.
It sounds like the EPA is trying to justify its existence and its budget. We might be able to afford some kind of environmental agency, but not one that costs as much as the one we have. Cut the budget 80% (for starters), get rid of 80% of the lawyers.
Stupid. stupid. The EPA and Government and other Blah Blah Blah organizations need to leave the car companies alone so America can actually have fun with their cars agin.
It sounds like the EPA is trying to justify its existence and its budget. We might be able to afford some kind of environmental agency, but not one that costs as much as the one we have. Cut the budget 80% (for starters), get rid of 80% of the lawyers.
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