That's impressive! It also makes PU's low volatility more believable.
Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic NOACK - 6.3%
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: buster
I believe Dave has said the 0w oils do in fact use more VII's.
The only 0W oil of RL that uses a normal amount of VIIs compared to most multi-grade oils in it's formulation is their 0w-40. Their 0W-20 uses none and the 0w30 "just a pinch" and this is a quote from Dave.
RL is the exception though. They are the only company use POE base oils. The others are not so this doesn't apply.
Originally Posted By: buster
I believe Dave has said the 0w oils do in fact use more VII's.
The only 0W oil of RL that uses a normal amount of VIIs compared to most multi-grade oils in it's formulation is their 0w-40. Their 0W-20 uses none and the 0w30 "just a pinch" and this is a quote from Dave.
RL is the exception though. They are the only company use POE base oils. The others are not so this doesn't apply.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: buster
I believe Dave has said the 0w oils do in fact use more VII's.
The only 0W oil of RL that uses a normal amount of VIIs compared to most multi-grade oils in it's formulation is their 0w-40. Their 0W-20 uses none and the 0w30 "just a pinch" and this is a quote from Dave.
RL is the exception though. They are the only company use POE base oils. The others are not so this doesn't apply.
There are a few formulators that use POE base oils such as MPT Thirty-K, Red line is just the most well known to BITOG.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: buster
I believe Dave has said the 0w oils do in fact use more VII's.
The only 0W oil of RL that uses a normal amount of VIIs compared to most multi-grade oils in it's formulation is their 0w-40. Their 0W-20 uses none and the 0w30 "just a pinch" and this is a quote from Dave.
RL is the exception though. They are the only company use POE base oils. The others are not so this doesn't apply.
There are a few formulators that use POE base oils such as MPT Thirty-K, Red line is just the most well known to BITOG.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Dave is not alway consistent in what he says.
His second sentence which makes sense is at odds with his first.
So he has confirned that their 0W-40 contains the most VIIs but how could it also use heavier base oils since all three grades have the same 9% NOACK figure? Additionally all three grades have only marginally varying MRV spec's which also implies that the only difference between the three 0W grades is their VII content.
BTW, Red Line 0W-40 is my favorite Red Line grade and IMO their most impressive oil.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Dave is not alway consistent in what he says.
His second sentence which makes sense is at odds with his first.
So he has confirned that their 0W-40 contains the most VIIs but how could it also use heavier base oils since all three grades have the same 9% NOACK figure? Additionally all three grades have only marginally varying MRV spec's which also implies that the only difference between the three 0W grades is their VII content.
BTW, Red Line 0W-40 is my favorite Red Line grade and IMO their most impressive oil.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Dave is not alway consistent in what he says.
His second sentence which makes sense is at odds with his first.
So he has confirned that their 0W-40 contains the most VIIs but how could it also use heavier base oils since all three grades have the same 9% NOACK figure? Additionally all three grades have only marginally varying MRV spec's which also implies that the only difference between the three 0W grades is their VII content.
BTW, Red Line 0W-40 is my favorite Red Line grade and IMO their most impressive oil.
Dave's been consistent with anything I've asked him.
I don't see anything at odds between the sentences.
What I gather from his reply is essentially that the base oil viscosity blend is different between the oils even though the base oils are of the same "type" (POE/PAO) and they share the same additive package (which we know).
The 0W-40 apparently does have the highest VII concentration, but it apparently isn't simply the 0W-20 loaded up with VIIs.
I have no reason to doubt Dave.
Someone should invite him to this thread to get his input.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Just take a look at Red Line 0W range of oils. They all have the same NOACK of 9%. In fact the 0W-20, 0w30 and 0W-40 are all exactly the same formulation except for the VII concentration; the 0W-20 has none, the 0w30 a pinch, and the 0w-40 the most.
Dave replied, he gave the answer I expected.
Originally Posted By: Dave from Red Line
Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil. The 0W40 starts with a higher molecular weight base stock blend than the 0W20.
The base stock type used and additive concentration is the same between the 0Wx oils, the thickener necessary is different.
Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil
So there's clearly more going on between the 3 Red Line 0W grades than VII concentration.
Dave is not alway consistent in what he says.
His second sentence which makes sense is at odds with his first.
So he has confirned that their 0W-40 contains the most VIIs but how could it also use heavier base oils since all three grades have the same 9% NOACK figure? Additionally all three grades have only marginally varying MRV spec's which also implies that the only difference between the three 0W grades is their VII content.
BTW, Red Line 0W-40 is my favorite Red Line grade and IMO their most impressive oil.
Dave's been consistent with anything I've asked him.
I don't see anything at odds between the sentences.
What I gather from his reply is essentially that the base oil viscosity blend is different between the oils even though the base oils are of the same "type" (POE/PAO) and they share the same additive package (which we know).
The 0W-40 apparently does have the highest VII concentration, but it apparently isn't simply the 0W-20 loaded up with VIIs.
I have no reason to doubt Dave.
Someone should invite him to this thread to get his input.
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