Valvoline Extended Protection HM is a loaded GTL

[Sandstorm]

I have heard nothing but good things about this particular oil. It's GTL loaded with generous amount of additives. It's good to see this especially when other oils such as PP and other GTL oils are lowering their additives.

The below VOA is a repost from @tcrs_circuit

 

[Big_B]

Looks great on paper anyways.

 

[kschachn]

Plus a spectrographic analysis doesn’t show “additives”, and not all additives contain metallic or metalloid elements that show up on a PDS or VOA. Drawing conclusions about the future performance of an oil based upon these data sources is incomplete at best.

 

[I<3oil]

N'bad a'tall

 

[buster]

Looks beefy for a off shelf PCMO. Good job Saudi Arabia, I mean Kentucky.

 

[Sandstorm]

Plus a spectrographic analysis doesn’t show “additives”, and not all additives contain metallic or metalloid elements that show up on a PDS or VOA. Drawing conclusions about the future performance of an oil based upon these data sources is incomplete at best.

No conclusion was drawn. In science, every collected data has a worth and value even if cheap or free.

Also in science, sometimes those cheap test, such as a cheap glucometer strip test, have produced valuable data, some of which have saved human lives.

Also sometimes, a 2 million dollar LC/MS-MS machine, gives you similar information that we obtain in the lab using a cheaper method such as ELISA and so forth.

 

[kschachn]

No conclusion was drawn. In science, every collected data has a worth and value even if cheap or free.

Also in science, sometimes those cheap test, such as a cheap glucometer strip test, have produced valuable data, some of which have saved human lives.

Also sometimes, a 2 million dollar LC/MS-MS machine, gives you similar information that we obtain in the lab using a cheaper method such as ELISA and so forth.

Sure.

 

[Sandstorm]

Sure.

Facts!

 

[kschachn]

Facts!

I’m trying, yes.

I also don’t get too excited about GTL either, considering there are other Group III base stocks that have similar performance.

 

[kschachn]

No conclusion was drawn. In science, every collected data has a worth and value even if cheap or free.

Also in science, sometimes those cheap test, such as a cheap glucometer strip test, have produced valuable data, some of which have saved human lives.

Also sometimes, a 2 million dollar LC/MS-MS machine, gives you similar information that we obtain in the lab using a cheaper method such as ELISA and so forth.

This isn’t glucose. Would you make a medical diagnosis or prescribe medication based on a $30 spectrographic analysis of decomposed blood?

 

[Sandstorm]

This isn’t glucose. Would you make a medical diagnosis or prescribe medication based on a $30 spectrographic analysis of decomposed blood?

I think you got where I was going with this. I don't like to play with words. The diagnosis is usually made by looking at the A1C levels. We are not talking about a diagnosis. We are alluding to what readings and data points we can obtain from a cheap test. As I said every data point is valuable and cannot be dismissed.

 

[kschachn]

I don’t like to play with words either. All I was responding to was your statement that the oil is “loaded with generous amount of additives. It's good to see this especially when other oils such as PP and other GTL oils are lowering their additives.”

Like glucose, dissociated elements aren’t additives and I was pointing out that your comment about PP wasn’t accurate either since not all additives that contribute to the performance of a formulated oil are composed of metallic elements which would show up in a spectrograph analysis.

 

[Sandstorm]

Identical tests about two different subjects might not reveal all information about those subjects but give us enough information to make a few comparisons (not judgements). This is true with many tests. I wasn't making conclusions I was making comparisons and I hope that's clear.

I have read your posts for many years prior to joining this forum and I have tried to learn from them and not to use my microscopic mind to find any flaws therein.

Have a great day my friend

 

[Oliveoil2]

I don’t like to play with words either. All I was responding to was your statement that the oil is “loaded with generous amount of additives. It's good to see this especially when other oils such as PP and other GTL oils are lowering their additives.”

Like glucose, dissociated elements aren’t additives and I was pointing out that your comment about PP wasn’t accurate either since not all additives that contribute to the performance of a formulated oil are composed of metallic elements which would show up in a spectrograph analysis.

Why do you always pick fights with people? Nothing ever positive. I don’t read your postings anymore. They are always the same.

 

[KCJeep]

Wow that Moly level is pretty surprising. I had no idea Valvoline was using any GTL either. Thanks for posting!

 

[Ronin73]

Wow that Moly level is pretty surprising. I had no idea Valvoline was using any GTL either. Thanks for posting!

I wonder if the regular Extended Protection 5w30 is GTL now as well?

 

[KCJeep]

I wonder if the regular Extended Protection 5w30 is GTL now as well?

I looked up the SDS after I saw this one. It currently says all Grp III but it was dated 2022 IIRC.

 

[kschachn]

I looked up the SDS after I saw this one. It currently says all Grp III but it was dated 2022 IIRC.

GTL derived base stocks are Group III.

And considering the interchange allowed under API Annex E what an SDS says may or may not be accurate.

 

[Sandstorm]

I looked up the SDS after I saw this one. It currently says all Grp III but it was dated 2022 IIRC.

From what I have gathered, only the EP with Maxlife (HM) is GTL at the moment.

 

[KCJeep]

It has higher HTHS than the standard EP (3.2, which is good, upped to 3.3). The add pack is stronger than the already strong EP version. And it's GTL, which is cleaner and has a slight edge over Grp III in high temps and cold starting. It even carries my Ford spec that most HM oils don't.

I've been running standard EP and have been really happy with it, but I can't see any reason not to up it to the HM version next go around.

@Sandstorm Thanks for posting this I had missed it.