Using Exhaust Water To Make More Horsepower! - EE
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RUBE. GOLDBERG.
They can put that intake water separator into Ford's, since they turn their charge air systems into a Jacuzzi for some reason.
They can put that intake water separator into Ford's, since they turn their charge air systems into a Jacuzzi for some reason.
"Water, as it changes from a liquid to a gas in the intake manifold"...
Even heated to 212 on the stove, I still have water vapor, not "a gas".
Glad I only wasted 20 seconds on that vid.
If you're injecting water, you may as well use a water/alcohol mix, and gain real cooling benefits from that alcohol evaporation.
Even heated to 212 on the stove, I still have water vapor, not "a gas".
Glad I only wasted 20 seconds on that vid.
If you're injecting water, you may as well use a water/alcohol mix, and gain real cooling benefits from that alcohol evaporation.
If engineers are looking at this is must be possible and must be viable, certainly if they are this far along in their testing / discovery for him to make a video about it.
Sounds like the "Fuel Injection will never work, I'm keeping my carb." folks.
Sounds like the "Fuel Injection will never work, I'm keeping my carb." folks.
Originally Posted by StevieC
If engineers are looking at this is must be possible and must be viable, certainly if they are this far along in their testing / discovery for him to make a video about it.
Sounds like the "Fuel Injection will never work, I'm keeping my carb." folks.
It is nothing of the sort like that. This is pure ignorance is what it is.
If engineers are looking at this is must be possible and must be viable, certainly if they are this far along in their testing / discovery for him to make a video about it.
Sounds like the "Fuel Injection will never work, I'm keeping my carb." folks.
It is nothing of the sort like that. This is pure ignorance is what it is.
Direct Late Water injection in cylinder can definitely reduce nox, VOC and particulate along with improving fuel economy on longer stroke motors.
Maybe they figure we are so lazy that if they put a water tank on no one would fill it so instead let's waste thousands of dollars collecting the water to re-inject?
Sounds pretty stupid, why not add HHO while we are at it and a fuel magnet?
Maybe they figure we are so lazy that if they put a water tank on no one would fill it so instead let's waste thousands of dollars collecting the water to re-inject?
Sounds pretty stupid, why not add HHO while we are at it and a fuel magnet?
The reason for water injection is because water changes from a liquid state to a gaseous state at the rate of 10,000 to 1. You have a lot more push on the piston which equals more horse power.
Originally Posted by rideahorse
The reason for water injection is because water changes from a liquid state to a gaseous state at the rate of 10,000 to 1. You have a lot more push on the piston which equals more horse power.
Really? A phase change provides more power than the combustion of a hydrocarbon?
I also didn't know the latent heat of vaporization was zero (or negative).
The reason for water injection is because water changes from a liquid state to a gaseous state at the rate of 10,000 to 1. You have a lot more push on the piston which equals more horse power.
Really? A phase change provides more power than the combustion of a hydrocarbon?
I also didn't know the latent heat of vaporization was zero (or negative).
Combustion of fuel provides power. The phase change of water cools off the charge so that more fuel can be added and timing advanced. That's how you can get more power with water injection.
Originally Posted by rideahorse
The reason for water injection is because water changes from a liquid state to a gaseous state at the rate of 10,000 to 1. You have a lot more push on the piston which equals more horse power.
Simply put, nope it doesn't work that way. Otherwise turbochargers and superchargers would operate on the same principal with no extra fuel needed.
Originally Posted by rideahorse
The reason for water injection is because water changes from a liquid state to a gaseous state at the rate of 10,000 to 1. You have a lot more push on the piston which equals more horse power.
Simply put, nope it doesn't work that way. Otherwise turbochargers and superchargers would operate on the same principal with no extra fuel needed.
Water injection is not what I find ridiculous here. It's the collection method. That's a long way to go for the sake of laziness and ignorance. I'd rather fill a tank than tow my car to the dealer when that system goes South.
Had great results from water injection in the past.
Had great results from water injection in the past.
Cooling the intake charge with water injection, is not new technology.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Water injection is not what I find ridiculous here. It's the collection method. That's a long way to go for the sake of laziness and ignorance. I'd rather fill a tank than tow my car to the dealer when that system goes South.
Had great results from water injection in the past.
Yeah but think about the varying water conditions all over the place and minerals etc. Then they would need filters to get the water to the point that it wouldn't clog up the injectors whereas this water is somewhat distilled in the method that they are using.
Plus not to mention the reservoir freezing in the winter in northern climates without some sort of additive or heater.
Water injection is not what I find ridiculous here. It's the collection method. That's a long way to go for the sake of laziness and ignorance. I'd rather fill a tank than tow my car to the dealer when that system goes South.
Had great results from water injection in the past.
Yeah but think about the varying water conditions all over the place and minerals etc. Then they would need filters to get the water to the point that it wouldn't clog up the injectors whereas this water is somewhat distilled in the method that they are using.
Plus not to mention the reservoir freezing in the winter in northern climates without some sort of additive or heater.
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Unless that system has a method to completely dry Purge itself before an engine shutdown by the driver, it's no better off in the winter.
In my years of using distilled water and alcohol in my system, I never once had a clogged injector. Was only the tap water boys who ever had that issue.
In my years of using distilled water and alcohol in my system, I never once had a clogged injector. Was only the tap water boys who ever had that issue.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Yeah but think about the varying water conditions all over the place and minerals etc. Then they would need filters to get the water to the point that it wouldn't clog up the injectors whereas this water is somewhat distilled in the method that they are using.
Exhaust condensate is polluted with oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, as such it is highly acidic. It also contains soot.
Yeah but think about the varying water conditions all over the place and minerals etc. Then they would need filters to get the water to the point that it wouldn't clog up the injectors whereas this water is somewhat distilled in the method that they are using.
Exhaust condensate is polluted with oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, as such it is highly acidic. It also contains soot.
I think he says this is post catalytic though.
Originally Posted by StevieC
I think he says this is post catalytic though.
It still is. Go measure the pH of the water dripping from your tail pipe.
I think he says this is post catalytic though.
It still is. Go measure the pH of the water dripping from your tail pipe.
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