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That’s a good view point - I might go to that other thread and admit that I wear Crocs - it’s the same treatment for both …
US UFO Disclosure Day
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Which denotes an other than earth being, and their flying craft. Dont be silly....and play with words.
The likely hood of interstellar travel is about 0%. I think if you read up on the issue a bit more, you would find the mechanics to be impossible, and more importantly impractical.
"We just have not figured it out yet" is not an answer. There are rules that cannot be broken.
I’ve seen several anomalies - that really made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
But I figured out all of them. It may have taken a bit, but none of them remained unexplained.
Here’s a funny one - I was flying across the Atlantic, middle of the night, 767, when this weird, bright triangle appeared in front of me. Looked like a sci-fi doomsday ship. Seriously, it looked the “Tet” in “Oblivion”. Scared the heck out of me for about 10 seconds.
It was the top edge of a crescent moon rising in the darkness. In the inky blackness, there was no horizon, no boundary between black ocean below and black sky above, so the triangle was “floating” in front of me.
And this is why I am such a skeptic when pilots (or people in general) report stuff. I’ve seen lots of stuff that initially appeared to be unexplainable - but I was able to resolve every single phenomena - my doomsday ship was a crescent moon. I sure didn’t recognize it as such initially, and if I had to leave the flight deck, or turn away, I might not have resolved it.
Human perception was built for a top speed of about 20 knots, 1G and about 6 feet of altitude. At several hundred knots, under G, and much higher altitude, that perception falls short. So do sensors. I’ve seen a radar report the speed on an airliner as 4,000 knots - recall that Concorde topped out at about 1,500 knots - but that was after one sweep, and the radar had an anomalous return, so, it did its best with bad data. Eventually, after several sweeps, that radar reported the airliner at 420 knots.
What people think they saw, and what was actually there, are often very different. They may not have had time to figure out what it really was.
So, yeah, I’ve seen quite a few wild phenomena - but none of it unexplained after the initial impression.
UFO = unidentified flying object. You're playing with words. It means an object is flying and can't be identified. Period. UFO doesn't not mean anything other than that.
I've read more on this topic than I have oil, including interviews with physicists and everybody in between. Well aware of what they think, well aware of the physics constraints.
"We haven't figured it out yet" keeps an open mind. Yours is shut and that's on you.
Simulation theory would allow for some of these things.
Where is the video of the UFO with dangling arms? Middle east I think.
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The nature of organic chemistry, and correct me if I am wrong by some of the science brethren here, just naturally forms into amino acids. The building blocks of life.
Traces of amino acids have supposedly been found in meteorites and asteroids IIRC that one mission we landed a robot onto a moving asteroid.
So now you have amino acids presumably all over the universe.
Here's some AI numbers on the chances of intelligent life existing at some point when assuming only .01% of stars have inhabitable planets and then .01% of those planets produced life forms:
The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
Many may have flourished and gone extinct before Earth even formed. Because light takes millions or billions of years to travel between galaxies, we are seeing most of these "potential" homes as they were in the distant past, not as they are today.
According to General Relativity, space is very "stiff." To warp it significantly, the energy requirements are astronomical:
TL; DR Who knows, but the odds of intelligent life existing are pretty favorable, but those life forms somehow achieving fast than light travel or some kind of new physics to zip around the universe, might be really slim.
Traces of amino acids have supposedly been found in meteorites and asteroids IIRC that one mission we landed a robot onto a moving asteroid.
So now you have amino acids presumably all over the universe.
Here's some AI numbers on the chances of intelligent life existing at some point when assuming only .01% of stars have inhabitable planets and then .01% of those planets produced life forms:
The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
The timeline from the first life forms to modern humans spans roughly 3.5 to 4 billion years.- 3.8 billion years ago: The first simple, single-celled organisms appeared in Earth's oceans.
- 2 billion years ago: More complex cells (eukaryotes) evolved.
- 600 million years ago: Multicellular life began to flourish.
- 300,000 years ago: Anatomically modern Homo sapiens emerged.
Estimating Galactic Civilizations
To calculate this, we use a simplified version of the Drake Equation.- Total Stars: There are an estimated $200 \text{ billion}$ (2 \times 10^{11}) stars in our Milky Way galaxy alone. (If you mean the observable universe, there are roughly $10^{22} to $10^{24} stars). Let's stick to our galaxy for a "local" estimate.
- Stars with Life (0.01%):
$$200,000,000,000 \times 0.0001 = 20,000,000 \text{ stars with life}$$ - Human-Level Civilizations (0.01% of those):
20,000,000 \times 0.0001 = 2,000 \text{ civilizations}$$
Universe wide estimate
Current astronomical estimates suggest there are roughly 2 trillion galaxies (2×1012) in the observable universe. If we assume an average of 100 billion stars per galaxy:- Total Stars: ≈2×1023 (That is a 2 followed by 23 zeros, or 200 sextillion stars).
- Step 1: Stars with Life (0.01%)
200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000×0.0001=2×1019 planets with life
(That's 20 quintillion worlds with some form of life). - Step 2: Human-Level Civilizations (0.01% of those)
20,000,000,000,000,000,000×0.0001=2×1015 civilizations
3. The "Time" Factor
It is important to remember that these 2 quadrillion civilizations wouldn't all exist at once. Because the universe is 13.8 billion years old, these civilizations are likely spread out across time.Many may have flourished and gone extinct before Earth even formed. Because light takes millions or billions of years to travel between galaxies, we are seeing most of these "potential" homes as they were in the distant past, not as they are today.
4. Why haven't we seen them? (The Fermi Paradox)
If there are 2 quadrillion civilizations, why is the sky silent? Scientists suggest a few possibilities:- The Great Filter: There may be a developmental wall that is almost impossible to clear (like the jump from single cells to complex life, or the jump from nuclear power to sustainable space travel).
- Distance: The universe is expanding so fast that most of these galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light, meaning we could never reach them—even with a warp drive.
- Brief Lifespans: Civilizations might only last a few thousand years before destroying themselves or being hit by cosmic events (supernovas, asteroids), making the "overlap" in time very rare.
Energy Required for a Warp Drive
In Star Trek, warp drive works by contracting space in front of a ship and expanding it behind using an "Alcubierre Bubble."According to General Relativity, space is very "stiff." To warp it significantly, the energy requirements are astronomical:
- The Mass-Energy Problem: Initial calculations suggested that to move a small spacecraft, you would need the energy equivalent of the entire mass of the planet Jupiter ($E = mc^2$).
- Negative Energy: The Alcubierre model requires "exotic matter" with negative energy density to keep the bubble stable. We currently have no proof that exotic matter exists in the quantities needed, or if it can be created at all.
- Modern Refinements: Recent theoretical papers have suggested "lower" energy requirements if the shape of the warp bubble is adjusted, potentially bringing the cost down to the mass-energy of a few hundred kilograms (roughly the size of a Voyager probe). However, this remains purely mathematical.
Comparative Perspective
| Milestone | Time Since Big Bang |
| Big Bang | 0 years |
| First Stars Form | ~200 million years |
| Earth Forms | ~9.2 billion years |
| First Life | ~10 billion years |
| Modern Humans | ~13.7997 billion years |
TL; DR Who knows, but the odds of intelligent life existing are pretty favorable, but those life forms somehow achieving fast than light travel or some kind of new physics to zip around the universe, might be really slim.
And you are not the news and have no gain in such a story. Couple your expertise with who is reporting the events, and the answer is clear.
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This isn't the big revelation people have been hoping for. Just more unidentified occurrences. Fun reading, but no meat in it.
Because there is no meat
Honestly I’m ambivalent. But skeptical.
I won’t be shocked or surprised if actual hard truth is in front of me.
The fascinating part to me the last near 100 years (80 +?) is this hope or faith or fear or concocted belief that these superior beings will arrive and show us something. Such a human thing.
I won’t be shocked or surprised if actual hard truth is in front of me.
The fascinating part to me the last near 100 years (80 +?) is this hope or faith or fear or concocted belief that these superior beings will arrive and show us something. Such a human thing.
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I'll be happy enough to see a fossilized fern or some plant found on Mars.
First, I believe that there are non-man-made vehicles and I believe there are non-human biologics and I believe there are entities that can exist in higher dimensions (some would call these "spiritual" or "higher dimensional"). That being said, I have several close friends that have served in the Air Force as pilots and worked with satellite/space operations. They have convinced me that probably over 95% of "sightings/experiences" come from either, simple mis-identifications or from Military/Black Project creations (a whole different topic that doesn't need to be discussed on this thread).
Now..... that remaining 5% is really what this subject is all about.
Regarding the Trump Administration release of info the past couple of days..... BIG NOTHING BURGER! Everything released has already been released over the past few years. Be it the CIA or whoever.... there has been a regular stream of disclosure dripped from the information faucet. It has been calculated, planned in detail and they have a specific purpose. Just one Canary in the Coal Mine.... Take a quick glance at YouTube and Prime Video and see how many movies and documentaries regarding aliens and UFO's have been released, just since 2020. .....not 5 or 6 or even a dozen, but well over one hundred. Then pay attention to how many "Whistle-Blowers" have come out of the Military/Government the past 10 years. I bet most are on the CIA payroll and YES.... There is a HUGE PSYOP happening. Counter Intelligence is happening. And yes, I believe movie-makers like Spielberg are part of it.
Depending on which side of the fence you reside, in regard to your "Spiritual Beliefs", or lack thereof, you will process and embrace the current facts and those that are coming, in your own way. Christians will largely side with JD Vance believing all this is a Demonic thing. Atheists will will grab hold of the notion that these Extraterrestrials are our creators and they seeded life here on Planet Earth. Either way, I don't think there will be world-wide freakouts by humans with more and more disclosure. I think nearly everyone has accepted the information and processed it with their on world-view. I think we deserve 100% of the information, NOW. What will cause a world-wide freakout is if a 10 mile wide mother ship shows up and starts shooting all the humans with lasers (humor intended).
I do not believe these entities recently showed up. I think they have always been here. I also believe there were very sophisticated civilizations here on Planet Earth long before Adam and Eve.
The HUGE question on most people's minds is.... Why the heck is all this coming to a head now? Scientologists and New Agers believe a new age is coming by the hands of aliens. Christians believe the Book of Revelation is about to start. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. believe their Messiah is about to arrive. Atheists just don't care.
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Now..... that remaining 5% is really what this subject is all about.
Regarding the Trump Administration release of info the past couple of days..... BIG NOTHING BURGER! Everything released has already been released over the past few years. Be it the CIA or whoever.... there has been a regular stream of disclosure dripped from the information faucet. It has been calculated, planned in detail and they have a specific purpose. Just one Canary in the Coal Mine.... Take a quick glance at YouTube and Prime Video and see how many movies and documentaries regarding aliens and UFO's have been released, just since 2020. .....not 5 or 6 or even a dozen, but well over one hundred. Then pay attention to how many "Whistle-Blowers" have come out of the Military/Government the past 10 years. I bet most are on the CIA payroll and YES.... There is a HUGE PSYOP happening. Counter Intelligence is happening. And yes, I believe movie-makers like Spielberg are part of it.
Depending on which side of the fence you reside, in regard to your "Spiritual Beliefs", or lack thereof, you will process and embrace the current facts and those that are coming, in your own way. Christians will largely side with JD Vance believing all this is a Demonic thing. Atheists will will grab hold of the notion that these Extraterrestrials are our creators and they seeded life here on Planet Earth. Either way, I don't think there will be world-wide freakouts by humans with more and more disclosure. I think nearly everyone has accepted the information and processed it with their on world-view. I think we deserve 100% of the information, NOW. What will cause a world-wide freakout is if a 10 mile wide mother ship shows up and starts shooting all the humans with lasers (humor intended).
I do not believe these entities recently showed up. I think they have always been here. I also believe there were very sophisticated civilizations here on Planet Earth long before Adam and Eve.
The HUGE question on most people's minds is.... Why the heck is all this coming to a head now? Scientologists and New Agers believe a new age is coming by the hands of aliens. Christians believe the Book of Revelation is about to start. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. believe their Messiah is about to arrive. Atheists just don't care.
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“Why the heck is all this coming to a head now?” - well, it’s been coming to a head as long as I can remember. It was big news in the 1970s. It’s “been coming to a head” constantly. Yet we haven’t learned anything new.
I don't understand why this makes people angry. There may or may not be something out there. No one can be 100% sure either way. Relax
We have no clue where anything came from, and as far as explaining other things that we say is impossible is only because we don’t know what is possible
I agree. That's basically my take. It's not that I want to believe it's true, but rather I've been swayed by some powerful testimonial/interview evidence that I lean towards believing. That's the bottom line for me. I understand being skeptical to not believing at all.
"I’ve spent some time today going through the 161 files just released by Washington DC. While there is a lot of noise and disappointment in the community right now, I wanted to take a step back and look at what we are actually dealing with—without the hype, but without dismissal either.
What I see in these folders is a mixture: early 1947 FBI documents, newspaper clippings, and even the French Cometa report. But more importantly, I see a pattern. It's a system that collects data, categorizes it, and consistently stops short of a final interpretation. It's what I call "tag it and bag it."
This isn't disclosure, but it is a fascinating look at how the institutional layer handles the anomalous. I’ve broken down the "meat" of these files, including some 2024 ISR reports and an interesting Apollo 11 transcript."
https://youtu.be/19mbUxhkz9U
Grusch said: 'They already have the list of some of these hostile folks that ran those programs. Unfortunately, one of those individuals, Major General retired Neil McCasland, is currently missing, which is very concerning to me as well.'
What I see in these folders is a mixture: early 1947 FBI documents, newspaper clippings, and even the French Cometa report. But more importantly, I see a pattern. It's a system that collects data, categorizes it, and consistently stops short of a final interpretation. It's what I call "tag it and bag it."
This isn't disclosure, but it is a fascinating look at how the institutional layer handles the anomalous. I’ve broken down the "meat" of these files, including some 2024 ISR reports and an interesting Apollo 11 transcript."
https://youtu.be/19mbUxhkz9U
Grusch said: 'They already have the list of some of these hostile folks that ran those programs. Unfortunately, one of those individuals, Major General retired Neil McCasland, is currently missing, which is very concerning to me as well.'
There is a superior being coming. I think the aliens hysteria is made to take their place
Are you sensing a Sanhedrin moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot
Earth is a tiny speck of a planet orbiting an average ordinary star floating in just one of the now estimated 2 trillion galaxies. There is nothing special around us that would give other beings a reason to look our direction.
I think our brains really struggle to comprehend the shear size of the universe.
Earth is a tiny speck of a planet orbiting an average ordinary star floating in just one of the now estimated 2 trillion galaxies. There is nothing special around us that would give other beings a reason to look our direction.
I think our brains really struggle to comprehend the shear size of the universe.