Those rural folks that live and drive on the 'old time' 2 lane highways with all the intersections/driveways with head on and t-bone accidents have a pretty high death and extreme injury rate. Strange to say many resist using seat belts-in Minnesota at least.
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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Misuse of statistics to try to prove a point.
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Interestingly, some of the poorest states are also the most obese, and more rural:
I don't know what is going on with the obesity rate around here - even the illegals become obese. They may be the worst offenders - although we have no lack of native born fatties.
I don't know that it has much to do with rural or urban lifestyle, or even being poor. When I was a kid, they had the President's Council on Physical Fitness, presumably a creation because there was a perceived lack of physical fitness in kids prior to it's creation. Obesity was then stigmatized as undesirable.
Nowadays, it's clear making judgments about any type of lifestyle choice or result of choice is putting yourself on the high speed expressway to being labled a hater.
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Recently I was in GA and was in a convenience store. I was rather annoyed to see people buying junk food on EBT, then pulling a wad of cash out to buy cigarettes. If you can afford cigarettes, you can pay for your own junk food. That's what gets me more. The double dippers working under the table for a living and collecting government handouts too.
I've owned them, and I can assure you, it's way worse than you think it is. EBT is a big wealth transfer scheme - from the middle class to the retail class - the poor are just a conduit. I would dare say it's the norm for people to want to be paid in cash so the income record does not interfere with thier "disability" payment. I would never do this, but there are business people who do.
Interestingly, some of the poorest states are also the most obese, and more rural:
I don't know what is going on with the obesity rate around here - even the illegals become obese. They may be the worst offenders - although we have no lack of native born fatties.
I don't know that it has much to do with rural or urban lifestyle, or even being poor. When I was a kid, they had the President's Council on Physical Fitness, presumably a creation because there was a perceived lack of physical fitness in kids prior to it's creation. Obesity was then stigmatized as undesirable.
Nowadays, it's clear making judgments about any type of lifestyle choice or result of choice is putting yourself on the high speed expressway to being labled a hater.
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Recently I was in GA and was in a convenience store. I was rather annoyed to see people buying junk food on EBT, then pulling a wad of cash out to buy cigarettes. If you can afford cigarettes, you can pay for your own junk food. That's what gets me more. The double dippers working under the table for a living and collecting government handouts too.
I've owned them, and I can assure you, it's way worse than you think it is. EBT is a big wealth transfer scheme - from the middle class to the retail class - the poor are just a conduit. I would dare say it's the norm for people to want to be paid in cash so the income record does not interfere with thier "disability" payment. I would never do this, but there are business people who do.
First you'll have to define what is "safety". Safe from getting killed in an armed robbery is very different than safe from getting killed in a freak traffic accident.
Usually, a good school district is a good indicator of the population's probability of risky behaviors in general. In reality however, a lot of great school districts (Palo Alto) are just a stone throw away from horrible ones (East Palo Alto) and criminals can just walk through the underpass of a highway to get to the other side.
Usually, a good school district is a good indicator of the population's probability of risky behaviors in general. In reality however, a lot of great school districts (Palo Alto) are just a stone throw away from horrible ones (East Palo Alto) and criminals can just walk through the underpass of a highway to get to the other side.
Originally Posted By: Win
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Interestingly, some of the poorest states are also the most obese, and more rural:
I don't know what is going on with the obesity rate around here - even the illegals become obese. They may be the worst offenders - although we have no lack of native born fatties.
I don't know that it has much to do with rural or urban lifestyle, or even being poor. When I was a kid, they had the President's Council on Physical Fitness, presumably a creation because there was a perceived lack of physical fitness in kids prior to it's creation. Obesity was then stigmatized as undesirable.
Nowadays, it's clear making judgments about any type of lifestyle choice or result of choice is putting yourself on the high speed expressway to being labled a hater.
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Recently I was in GA and was in a convenience store. I was rather annoyed to see people buying junk food on EBT, then pulling a wad of cash out to buy cigarettes. If you can afford cigarettes, you can pay for your own junk food. That's what gets me more. The double dippers working under the table for a living and collecting government handouts too.
I've owned them, and I can assure you, it's way worse than you think it is. EBT is a big wealth transfer scheme - from the middle class to the retail class - the poor are just a conduit. I would dare say it's the norm for people to want to be paid in cash so the income record does not interfere with thier "disability" payment. I would never do this, but there are business people who do.
Quality food is expensive, the cheapest way to get your calories is through fast or highly processed food. It's not surprise that poor people are malnourished and with high BMI. Rural areas around me are quite poor primarily because there are no jobs and are on some form of government assistance. As for the EBT, it should be no surprise that it's part of the farm subsidies proving your point of the poor simply being a conduit.
I would rather have people paid out of my taxes than have higher crime that I end up paying for anyway with more unpleasantness like police and jails/prisons.
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Interestingly, some of the poorest states are also the most obese, and more rural:
I don't know what is going on with the obesity rate around here - even the illegals become obese. They may be the worst offenders - although we have no lack of native born fatties.
I don't know that it has much to do with rural or urban lifestyle, or even being poor. When I was a kid, they had the President's Council on Physical Fitness, presumably a creation because there was a perceived lack of physical fitness in kids prior to it's creation. Obesity was then stigmatized as undesirable.
Nowadays, it's clear making judgments about any type of lifestyle choice or result of choice is putting yourself on the high speed expressway to being labled a hater.
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Recently I was in GA and was in a convenience store. I was rather annoyed to see people buying junk food on EBT, then pulling a wad of cash out to buy cigarettes. If you can afford cigarettes, you can pay for your own junk food. That's what gets me more. The double dippers working under the table for a living and collecting government handouts too.
I've owned them, and I can assure you, it's way worse than you think it is. EBT is a big wealth transfer scheme - from the middle class to the retail class - the poor are just a conduit. I would dare say it's the norm for people to want to be paid in cash so the income record does not interfere with thier "disability" payment. I would never do this, but there are business people who do.
Quality food is expensive, the cheapest way to get your calories is through fast or highly processed food. It's not surprise that poor people are malnourished and with high BMI. Rural areas around me are quite poor primarily because there are no jobs and are on some form of government assistance. As for the EBT, it should be no surprise that it's part of the farm subsidies proving your point of the poor simply being a conduit.
I would rather have people paid out of my taxes than have higher crime that I end up paying for anyway with more unpleasantness like police and jails/prisons.
If you are poor, there probably was a time in your life where you couldn't afford food and were starving. That is something you don't forget, and those that have suffered like that often tend at more than needed.
My father had that happen to him as a kid (his stories were amongst the saddest I ever heard on the subject), after he got out of the army scarecrow thin and able to afford enough to eat, he quickly added maybe another 100 pounds. It wasn't genes, as me and my brother are all normal weight.
My father had that happen to him as a kid (his stories were amongst the saddest I ever heard on the subject), after he got out of the army scarecrow thin and able to afford enough to eat, he quickly added maybe another 100 pounds. It wasn't genes, as me and my brother are all normal weight.
Most are chronically poor -- their forefathers were poor, they are poor and their children will be poor. They have very little chance of getting out of it if at all. We have actually had a negative social mobility in the rural America for a while now.
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Quality food is expensive, the cheapest way to get your calories is through fast or highly processed food. It's not surprise that poor people are malnourished and with high BMI. Rural areas around me are quite poor primarily because there are no jobs and are on some form of government assistance. As for the EBT, it should be no surprise that it's part of the farm subsidies proving your point of the poor simply being a conduit.
I would rather have people paid out of my taxes than have higher crime that I end up paying for anyway with more unpleasantness like police and jails/prisons.
I certainly disagree. My daughter has lived in MS and WV for a total of 20 years. They are fat bc they eat at McDonalds et. all to much. They eat too much of the wrong food. Not about shortage of money..its a shortage of brains. Not rocket sience.
Give them more money ant they will buy 2 clubhouse burger meals instead of one. That's 1500 calories loaded with fat/salt (for one meal). Do you thinki McDonalds is cheap?
Are they prohibited from buying a $1.25 can of Tuna that has mega protein and a minimum of fat and salt. What about 8 oz of 1% milk and an apple? of 1% milk. The cost of this is about 1/3 the cost of a McFat meal . People are fat and poor bc they are stupid/uneducated.
Quality food is expensive, the cheapest way to get your calories is through fast or highly processed food. It's not surprise that poor people are malnourished and with high BMI. Rural areas around me are quite poor primarily because there are no jobs and are on some form of government assistance. As for the EBT, it should be no surprise that it's part of the farm subsidies proving your point of the poor simply being a conduit.
I would rather have people paid out of my taxes than have higher crime that I end up paying for anyway with more unpleasantness like police and jails/prisons.
I certainly disagree. My daughter has lived in MS and WV for a total of 20 years. They are fat bc they eat at McDonalds et. all to much. They eat too much of the wrong food. Not about shortage of money..its a shortage of brains. Not rocket sience.
Give them more money ant they will buy 2 clubhouse burger meals instead of one. That's 1500 calories loaded with fat/salt (for one meal). Do you thinki McDonalds is cheap?
Are they prohibited from buying a $1.25 can of Tuna that has mega protein and a minimum of fat and salt. What about 8 oz of 1% milk and an apple? of 1% milk. The cost of this is about 1/3 the cost of a McFat meal . People are fat and poor bc they are stupid/uneducated.
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Originally Posted By: supton
One time I drove across Wyoming, on one stretch of road for about 3 or 4 hours. Between gas stations, that is. Handful of houses, and only saw a handful of other vehicles. Now that was rural!
Those are people who live so far out in the country, they need to drive toward town to hunt!
As an anecdotal example of the OP's point about rural emergency care, I once heard Judy Blunt read a gut-wrenching chapter from her memoir Breaking Clean. It involved a baby with a 106-degree fever, in eastern Montana, on gumbo roads muddy from snowmelt and rain. It took them two hours to get from the house to the highway, and then 15 minutes to drive the last 20 miles to town.
One time I drove across Wyoming, on one stretch of road for about 3 or 4 hours. Between gas stations, that is. Handful of houses, and only saw a handful of other vehicles. Now that was rural!
Those are people who live so far out in the country, they need to drive toward town to hunt!
As an anecdotal example of the OP's point about rural emergency care, I once heard Judy Blunt read a gut-wrenching chapter from her memoir Breaking Clean. It involved a baby with a 106-degree fever, in eastern Montana, on gumbo roads muddy from snowmelt and rain. It took them two hours to get from the house to the highway, and then 15 minutes to drive the last 20 miles to town.
Originally Posted By: SeaJay
If you are poor, there probably was a time in your life where you couldn't afford food and were starving. That is something you don't forget, and those that have suffered like that often tend at more than needed.
My father had that happen to him as a kid (his stories were amongst the saddest I ever heard on the subject), after he got out of the army scarecrow thin and able to afford enough to eat, he quickly added maybe another 100 pounds. It wasn't genes, as me and my brother are all normal weight.
That is like my dad who was starving as a kid and has fainted in school due to starvation. When he entered workforce as a teen the food supply became scarce, and he would occasionally come home with an empty grocery basket after waiting 1 hour in line before grocery stores open in the morning. When he immigrated he was eating as much as he can, especially meat, and lost control until he was diagnosed with diabetes.
If you are poor, there probably was a time in your life where you couldn't afford food and were starving. That is something you don't forget, and those that have suffered like that often tend at more than needed.
My father had that happen to him as a kid (his stories were amongst the saddest I ever heard on the subject), after he got out of the army scarecrow thin and able to afford enough to eat, he quickly added maybe another 100 pounds. It wasn't genes, as me and my brother are all normal weight.
That is like my dad who was starving as a kid and has fainted in school due to starvation. When he entered workforce as a teen the food supply became scarce, and he would occasionally come home with an empty grocery basket after waiting 1 hour in line before grocery stores open in the morning. When he immigrated he was eating as much as he can, especially meat, and lost control until he was diagnosed with diabetes.
Originally Posted By: Al
I certainly disagree. My daughter has lived in MS and WV for a total of 20 years. They are fat bc they eat at McDonalds et. all to much. They eat too much of the wrong food. Not about shortage of money..its a shortage of brains. Not rocket science.
Give them more money ant they will buy 2 clubhouse burger meals instead of one. That's 1500 calories loaded with fat/salt (for one meal). Do you think McDonalds is cheap?
Are they prohibited from buying a $1.25 can of Tuna that has mega protein and a minimum of fat and salt. What about 8 oz of 1% milk and an apple? of 1% milk. The cost of this is about 1/3 the cost of a McFat meal . People are fat and poor bc they are stupid/uneducated.
I hate to say I agree with you.
We don't have farm land in Orange County, CA. All lands are developed, we have 1 town next to others, we have probably 25-30 towns in Orange County, you can drive from 1 town to next town without knowing you just cross city border.
Some of the poorest towns in Orange County are Santa Ana, Fullerton ... and they have much higher obesity rate than some of the richer town such as Newport Beach, Newport Coast, Laguna Beach, Laguna Hills ...
It seems like the riches don't eat much junk food compares with poorer person.
No, I don't look down on anyone, I just observe the problem with obesity.
I certainly disagree. My daughter has lived in MS and WV for a total of 20 years. They are fat bc they eat at McDonalds et. all to much. They eat too much of the wrong food. Not about shortage of money..its a shortage of brains. Not rocket science.
Give them more money ant they will buy 2 clubhouse burger meals instead of one. That's 1500 calories loaded with fat/salt (for one meal). Do you think McDonalds is cheap?
Are they prohibited from buying a $1.25 can of Tuna that has mega protein and a minimum of fat and salt. What about 8 oz of 1% milk and an apple? of 1% milk. The cost of this is about 1/3 the cost of a McFat meal . People are fat and poor bc they are stupid/uneducated.
I hate to say I agree with you.
We don't have farm land in Orange County, CA. All lands are developed, we have 1 town next to others, we have probably 25-30 towns in Orange County, you can drive from 1 town to next town without knowing you just cross city border.
Some of the poorest towns in Orange County are Santa Ana, Fullerton ... and they have much higher obesity rate than some of the richer town such as Newport Beach, Newport Coast, Laguna Beach, Laguna Hills ...
It seems like the riches don't eat much junk food compares with poorer person.
No, I don't look down on anyone, I just observe the problem with obesity.
Obesity isn't a problem, it's a tool used by evolution.
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