I am new to this site(and oil in general). I am currently using the Amsoil (SS) ASM ow-20 in my wifes Honda Odyssey with a NAPA platinum filter. I pan on going 7500/mi on this oil. Stupid question: What is the best way to collect the sample for UOA?
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Easiest and no $$ is to take a sample when draining the oil.
Frankly, if you are doing any significant highway miles, i would go out to 10K
Frankly, if you are doing any significant highway miles, i would go out to 10K
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Easiest and no $$ is to take a sample when draining the oil.
Frankly, if you are doing any significant highway miles, i would go out to 10K
Thanks for the feedback! She drives a about 85% City/15% hwy. That is the main reason to only do 7500. If it comes back good, I'll go further. Mainly wanted to test out the filter/oil combo. So, when I change the oil, is it best to take sample from begining/middle/end of the drain after I pull the plug? Thanks again
Easiest and no $$ is to take a sample when draining the oil.
Frankly, if you are doing any significant highway miles, i would go out to 10K
Thanks for the feedback! She drives a about 85% City/15% hwy. That is the main reason to only do 7500. If it comes back good, I'll go further. Mainly wanted to test out the filter/oil combo. So, when I change the oil, is it best to take sample from begining/middle/end of the drain after I pull the plug? Thanks again
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The best way I've found it to purchase a vacuum pump that you can pull a sample from the dipstick hole. Then you take a sample and send it in at some point shortly before you were planning on changing your oil, and you'll have your results in time to decide whether you can extend your oil change interval or whether it is time to dump it now. There were a number of times I would sample as the oil drained out, send it in and find out I probably had 40% more life left in it.
The more expensive your oil is and the longer you are trying to stretch your oil changes, the better the payback is with looking at your results before you change.
The more expensive your oil is and the longer you are trying to stretch your oil changes, the better the payback is with looking at your results before you change.
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OrdnanceMarine - +1
Doesn't the owners manual state 10,000mi. OCI for that vehicle/engine combo? Also changing the filter every other OC?
All of the above mentioned methods will suffice for sampling.
All of the above mentioned methods will suffice for sampling.
dnewton3
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Originally Posted By: asharris7
I am new to this site(and oil in general). I am currently using the Amsoil (SS) ASM ow-20 in my wifes Honda Odyssey with a NAPA platinum filter. I pan on going 7500/mi on this oil. Stupid question: What is the best way to collect the sample for UOA?
First and foremost; welcome!
"Best" is often hard to answer when the question is not well defined. There are some "if" comments to make here.
If you intend to greatly extend your OCI, then a sample pump or Fumoto valve is easy and clean and gets a good sample.
If you intend to stick with the shorter OCIs, then you might as well skip the cost of the extra stuff and just sample at mid-stream at the dump.
I will note that you are really wasting oil here with your current plan. Either pair up the Amsoil with their EaO filter, and utilize up to something like 25k miles under their warranty (no UOA required), or quit using such expensive products for "normal" OCIs.
OEM warranty may or may not be of concern; we have no idea how old your wife's van is. Amsoil has an excellent written warranty they will stand behind, should you choose that route.
I am new to this site(and oil in general). I am currently using the Amsoil (SS) ASM ow-20 in my wifes Honda Odyssey with a NAPA platinum filter. I pan on going 7500/mi on this oil. Stupid question: What is the best way to collect the sample for UOA?
First and foremost; welcome!
"Best" is often hard to answer when the question is not well defined. There are some "if" comments to make here.
If you intend to greatly extend your OCI, then a sample pump or Fumoto valve is easy and clean and gets a good sample.
If you intend to stick with the shorter OCIs, then you might as well skip the cost of the extra stuff and just sample at mid-stream at the dump.
I will note that you are really wasting oil here with your current plan. Either pair up the Amsoil with their EaO filter, and utilize up to something like 25k miles under their warranty (no UOA required), or quit using such expensive products for "normal" OCIs.
OEM warranty may or may not be of concern; we have no idea how old your wife's van is. Amsoil has an excellent written warranty they will stand behind, should you choose that route.
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: asharris7
I am new to this site(and oil in general). I am currently using the Amsoil (SS) ASM ow-20 in my wifes Honda Odyssey with a NAPA platinum filter. I pan on going 7500/mi on this oil. Stupid question: What is the best way to collect the sample for UOA?
First and foremost; welcome!
"Best" is often hard to answer when the question is not well defined. There are some "if" comments to make here.
If you intend to greatly extend your OCI, then a sample pump or Fumoto valve is easy and clean and gets a good sample.
If you intend to stick with the shorter OCIs, then you might as well skip the cost of the extra stuff and just sample at mid-stream at the dump.
I will note that you are really wasting oil here with your current plan. Either pair up the Amsoil with their EaO filter, and utilize up to something like 25k miles under their warranty (no UOA required), or quit using such expensive products for "normal" OCIs.
OEM warranty may or may not be of concern; we have no idea how old your wife's van is. Amsoil has an excellent written warranty they will stand behind, should you choose that route.
How can you make a blind statement like that? We don't know if this Odyssey has the VCM engine. There have been many instances of sludge with these engines. The OP clearly states the vehicle sees 85% city use which I believe is severe service. If I owned a Honday Odyssey, I'd follow the OP regimen as well.
Originally Posted By: asharris7
I am new to this site(and oil in general). I am currently using the Amsoil (SS) ASM ow-20 in my wifes Honda Odyssey with a NAPA platinum filter. I pan on going 7500/mi on this oil. Stupid question: What is the best way to collect the sample for UOA?
First and foremost; welcome!
"Best" is often hard to answer when the question is not well defined. There are some "if" comments to make here.
If you intend to greatly extend your OCI, then a sample pump or Fumoto valve is easy and clean and gets a good sample.
If you intend to stick with the shorter OCIs, then you might as well skip the cost of the extra stuff and just sample at mid-stream at the dump.
I will note that you are really wasting oil here with your current plan. Either pair up the Amsoil with their EaO filter, and utilize up to something like 25k miles under their warranty (no UOA required), or quit using such expensive products for "normal" OCIs.
OEM warranty may or may not be of concern; we have no idea how old your wife's van is. Amsoil has an excellent written warranty they will stand behind, should you choose that route.
How can you make a blind statement like that? We don't know if this Odyssey has the VCM engine. There have been many instances of sludge with these engines. The OP clearly states the vehicle sees 85% city use which I believe is severe service. If I owned a Honday Odyssey, I'd follow the OP regimen as well.
dnewton3
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Taken right from the Amsoil site for this product:
SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:
• Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• In all non-gasoline-fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply. He should review the site for details and decide what it means to him. But don't over-think or over-apply what "city driving" means. If he has futher questions, he can call Amsoil and have a direct one-on-one conversation. I have done that with them a few times myself.
Further, if their product should fail to protect under the stated conditions, Amsoil has an excellent warranty that I believe they would stand behind.
Either way, he would be good AT LEAST up to 15k miles, which is 2x what he's doing now, and that is without the requirement of a UOA.
He's taking a specific approach; he's got a plan and going to test it. The real question is what he does with the information once he receives it. What does it tell him? What does he do in response? Or, in light of this information, does he modify his plan altogether?
All I said is that his current plan is a waste. 7.5k miles on ASM with the added cost of a UOA is a LOT of money, at least in my world. I offered him alternatives. Why spend the money to UOA at 7.5k miles when the MINIMUM he can go is 15k miles, and likely 25k miles and be fully covered in Amsoil Warranty. Only if he went past that limit would a UOA be required to extend further.
P.S. - is every engine a sludger where you live?
SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:
• Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• In all non-gasoline-fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply. He should review the site for details and decide what it means to him. But don't over-think or over-apply what "city driving" means. If he has futher questions, he can call Amsoil and have a direct one-on-one conversation. I have done that with them a few times myself.
Further, if their product should fail to protect under the stated conditions, Amsoil has an excellent warranty that I believe they would stand behind.
Either way, he would be good AT LEAST up to 15k miles, which is 2x what he's doing now, and that is without the requirement of a UOA.
He's taking a specific approach; he's got a plan and going to test it. The real question is what he does with the information once he receives it. What does it tell him? What does he do in response? Or, in light of this information, does he modify his plan altogether?
All I said is that his current plan is a waste. 7.5k miles on ASM with the added cost of a UOA is a LOT of money, at least in my world. I offered him alternatives. Why spend the money to UOA at 7.5k miles when the MINIMUM he can go is 15k miles, and likely 25k miles and be fully covered in Amsoil Warranty. Only if he went past that limit would a UOA be required to extend further.
P.S. - is every engine a sludger where you live?
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply.
That's a biggie that often gets forgotten. A taxi driving around the city all day never has its oil cool off to ambient and has no cold starts. That's a lot different than the old lady who goes to the hair salon three blocks away once a week, and never drives her vehicle otherwise. Both are "city driving" though.
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply.
That's a biggie that often gets forgotten. A taxi driving around the city all day never has its oil cool off to ambient and has no cold starts. That's a lot different than the old lady who goes to the hair salon three blocks away once a week, and never drives her vehicle otherwise. Both are "city driving" though.
The original post is about a 2011 Honda which should have an oil-life monitor, and the maintenance schedule isn't written in terms of miles. That monitor should take driving habits into account, and seems like it would make more sense to say he's changing the oil at "5% remaining" or something like that.
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply.
That's a biggie that often gets forgotten. A taxi driving around the city all day never has its oil cool off to ambient and has no cold starts. That's a lot different than the old lady who goes to the hair salon three blocks away once a week, and never drives her vehicle otherwise. Both are "city driving" though.
+1.
The key question for the OP should be: Why are you using the ASM 0w-20 ?
Depending on your answer, a best suggestion can be made.
If we assume it is for extending oil drains, then definitely UOA before 7500-miles and decide further action.
I would not drain the ASM 0w-20 and then send for the UOA, but the other way round. Hope it helps!
And welcome to bitog
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
85% "city driving" does not automatically preclude his vehicle from "normal" designation. It depends upon the miles per trip and some other conditions which may or may not apply.
That's a biggie that often gets forgotten. A taxi driving around the city all day never has its oil cool off to ambient and has no cold starts. That's a lot different than the old lady who goes to the hair salon three blocks away once a week, and never drives her vehicle otherwise. Both are "city driving" though.
+1.
The key question for the OP should be: Why are you using the ASM 0w-20 ?
Depending on your answer, a best suggestion can be made.
If we assume it is for extending oil drains, then definitely UOA before 7500-miles and decide further action.
I would not drain the ASM 0w-20 and then send for the UOA, but the other way round. Hope it helps!
And welcome to bitog
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