Uninsured add $900 to health premiums-study

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Health insurance premiums will cost families and employers an extra $922 on average this year to cover the costs of caring for the uninsured, according to a report released on Wednesday.

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With the added cost, the yearly premiums for a family with coverage through an employer will average $10,979 in 2005, said the report from consumer group Families USA.

By 2010, the additional costs for the uninsured will be $1,502, and total premiums will hit $17,273. In 11 states, the costs of the uninsured will exceed $2,000 per family.

For individuals, the extra charge this year is estimated to be $341 on average, rising to $532 in 2010. Total premium charges for individuals will be $4,065 in 2005, and $6,115 in 2010.

"The stakes are high both for businesses and for workers who do have health insurance because they bear the brunt of costs for the uninsured," said Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA.

Nearly 48 million Americans will lack health insurance for 2005, the report said.

Uninsured patients pay about one-third of the costs of their care provided by doctors and hospitals, the report said.

The remaining costs -- more $43 billion in 2005 -- are considered "uncompensated care." The government picks up part of the tab and most of the rest is added to insurance premiums for people with health coverage, the report said.

"Ironically, this increases the cost of health insurance and results in fewer people who can afford insurance - a vicious circle," the report said.

The costs for people with insurance vary by state based on a number of variables, including the percentage of uninsured in a state and the amount local, state and federal governments contribute.

The report was based on data from the Census Bureau, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the National Center for Health Statistics and other sources.
 
I expect a nice increase in the amount my insurance will cost at work. The last few years my company has changed providers every July, to keep costs down. Two years ago my premium doubled. This is only the beginning, as far as I can see. The sad thing is, I only get a pay raise of 3% maximum every 1 1/2 to 2 years, and I am at the highest position I am qualified to do.
 
This is why it is necessary to have a more rational system for dealing with health care costs of those who are uninsured. The present system funds these costs, on a de facto basis, via a health insurance "tax". This makes health insurance even more expensive, resulting in even more people uninsured.

The Vermont Senate proposed to fund such costs, for the 15% of Vermonters uninsured, via a payroll tax only on those who have no health insurance.

Those of us who have health insurance subsidize employers who refuse to provide it. As a matter of public policy, we must make it less attractive for cheapskate employers to freeload off of others.
 
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Originally posted by k1xv:

The Vermont Senate proposed to fund such costs, for the 15% of Vermonters uninsured, via a payroll tax only on those who have no health insurance.


That is the best idea I've heard in a while. It still won't get building contractors who call their employees "subcontractors" but will definately get the fast food restaurants and big-box stores.

New Hampshire border shopping towns (no sales tax) complicate this plan slightly.
 
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Originally posted by MONKEYMAN:
The sad thing is, I only get a pay raise of 3% maximum every 1 1/2 to 2 years, and I am at the highest position I am qualified to do.

I wish I would get 3% every 2 years.
I work for NYC where out of touch (billionaire) Michael Bloomberg says "let em eat cake." His only concern seems to be building a new sports stadium in NYC so that only millionaires can afford to see the Jets.
 
The problem is simply that medical costs are unthrottled. The doors are closing on the grab bag ..but most of the damage has been done. There is no "economy" in medical care. There is just shortages of services. The technician still gets a good hourly wage, ..the medical equipment supplier still makes very expensive and quickly obsolete proprietery devices, physicians (although lower than past evolutions), are still very far up the economic food chain (surgeons especially)...and the blank check keeps getting written. Any attempt to contain costs is subjected to any (and every) "end runaround". If the government limits $/procedure ...they merely find more procedures. Medicine is basically a private enterprise with a government like taxation funding base. They get paid no matter what they do.


Basically you've given a dog a bone everytime it rolls over ...so it just rolls over everytime it wants a bone.
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Here's an example of health care costs:

My dad went to the ER on 4/30 for a stroke. his one day ER bill was $21k dollars. he stayed in the hospital for 6 days then was transferred to in patient rehab hospital for two weeks. still haven't gotten the bills for this either. Insurance pays 90% but if the total bill is 100k dollars. he will owe 10k which is alot for a 61 yr old man who can't work for three months.

I had a neighbor whose wife had heart surgery, the bill was close to 100k dollars. She had medicare and medicare wouldn't pay for it. their solution? pack up their stuff, move, and don't pay a dime of it.
 
I have the answer! Become poor. The poor get free health care. And believe me there is plenty of abuse. Part of my duties with the FDNY is as a CFR-D (Certified First Responder-Defib). I respond to about 8 to 10 EMS calls a day in the South Bronx. Stabbings, shootings, chest pains, automobile accidents, child births, suicides, decapitations...I've seen it all. However the large majority of calls are an abusive of privilege. If a person arrives at the ER via ambulance they go right to the head of the line.
So rather than call a taxicab they dial 911 and wait for their "taxi". I've had women with OBGY
appointments waiting with their bags packed when we arrived on several occasions. I would guess that about 25 to 35% of our calls are legitimate
emergencies. Oh yes, most of our 'customers' don't speak English. Those that are legal always pull out the "MEDICAID" benefits card. What a country!
 
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The Vermont Senate proposed to fund such costs, for the 15% of Vermonters uninsured, via a payroll tax only on those who have no health insurance.

That's a good idea, especially for the already insured, but is a band aid over a broken system and will do nothing to control costs. In fact, it will likely increase demand for services and raise costs overall.

As things are now, most citizens are of the opinion that only the government or employer are responsible for their health care, not themselves. In fact, generations of politicians have deliberately built the system to be just so. There is no immediate solution to this, and you'd better hope to stay employed and have decent insurance.

The insured consumers (patients) have little to no urgency to shop around for affordable care providers. Such an inefficient suystem will not apply pressure to control costs, in health care or any field. The good news is that service is generally plentiful and of high quality. Eventually the freeloaders (uninsured and illegals) will ruin the system.

I had this discussion with a neighbor just the other week. They were of the opinion that health care and college should be free to all. I asked where will we find the doctors and professors who are willing to work for free? It's shocking how people don't think through to the consequences.
 
pbm, sounds like you have a tough job. My hat is off to you! I know in Missouri, they have plans to do away with Medicaid by 2008. Many of my disabled clients use that insurance. It is not unusual for them to have 500+ in monthly medications a month. Out of pocket for them is about $12. That on top of seeing specilist, hospitalizations, procedures, and tests needed to keep them alive. They do not pay a penny for those.
 
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I have the answer! Become poor. The poor get free health care.

Unfortunatly, you are 100% right. It also goes far beyond healthcare. The "system" provide too much for too many people. I will soon become uneligible for social security because I no longer pay in. My past employers and I gave them thousands of dollars over the past 14 years, but I can't get anyhting back because I don't pay into the system anymore.

But, if I was to be diagnosed with a psych problem when I was 16, and I was therefore unable to deal with people, and because of this I couldn't have a job, I would get a social security check every month, never paying a penn into the system. I deal with many people like this.

So pretty much, I will work my @$$ off my whole life just so I can retire with a pension at 50% of my salary. I will not have healthcare provided for me and I obviously will not be able to afford it. So, even though I will be able to retire at 49, I will be "job locked" until I am 65 and eligible for medicare. I doubt I will be able to perform my job when I am 65 and I will become a major saftey liability to myself and the younger guys.

With all of this in mind, I have two choices.

1. Work, save, work, save, work, save
2. Go find a doctor that will diagnose me as nuts. Never have to work again. Sit home and live the easy life. Have a bunch of kids and teach them to carry on this tradition because it is the only true way to make ure you can take careof yourself and your family.
 
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Originally posted by keith:

I had this discussion with a neighbor just the other week. They were of the opinion that health care and college should be free to all. I asked where will we find the doctors and professors who are willing to work for free? It's shocking how people don't think through to the consequences. [/QB]

Keith: It sounds like your neighbor is a typical
LIBERAL.
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It sounds as if some on this board are arrogant,cruel and cold hearted people.

I am poor,I dont have insurence and my care IS NOT FREE.

I had to go to a heart doctor last week,it was not free.

My regular doctor is not FREE.

I had to wear a Holter monitor,$336.00,far from free.

I have no idea yet what the total doctor visit was last week.

I am supposed to go back next week,no idea how much it may cost.

My Mom is 67 and has a bad heart.She cant work.She gets disabilty and has Medicaid.

She gets LESS that $600.00 a month,her medications would cost her over $500.00 a month if it wasnt for Medicaid.

So,lets not jump the gun here,there are those that need help.

It can happen to anyone.
 
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Originally posted by motorguy222:
I had to go to a heart doctor last week,it was not free. My regular doctor is not FREE. I had to wear a Holter monitor,$336.00,far from free.

Good luck with all that. I have worn the Holter twice, numerous EKG's, etc.. Still alive and kicking, and still an irregular heartbeat. Sudden death runs in the family.

My employer provided health insurance covered most of my costs. No doubt about it, in the US you need an employer plan or be eligible for government handouts. If you don't fit into one of those two, the system is not your friend. Retirees that got mediocre returns in Social Security and now live on far less than what a private pension plan would have provided only add to the stress on the system. I could suggest you call Al Gore and ask about good deals on dog medicine for mothers, but I'll leave that humor out.

Sad to say, it appears you are not poor or sleazy enough to exploit the system. You need to have nothing to lose, and take all you can with no regard to the consequences. My wife is a nurse and her hospital gets a steady stream of illegals who come in for treatment, then disappear. The uninsured poor, with morals and social security numbers, are on the outside looking in.
 
Motorguy: No offense was meant to those that are truly in need. In fact most of us on this board are probably only one "catastrophic medical event" ie: cancer, heart problem ect...away from the poor house. What I meant to convey with both of my posts is that the "middle class working guy"
is barely able to make it while out of touch billionaires and system abusers seem impervious to it all. If a person is unable to pay for medical care (indigent) the law requires that
the care be provided. The working American taxpayer gets stuck with the both their own bill
and the bill for illegals etc..
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I really don't know what the solution is but I personnally would like to see America stop subsidizing other countries with Foreign Aid (Israel, China, Africa etc...) and start to fix our own numerous problems at home. This whole liberal notion of looking out for those who are less fortunate doesn't make sense to me since many working Americans are becoming "less fortunate" every day.
 
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Originally posted by pbm:

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Originally posted by keith:

I had this discussion with a neighbor just the other week. They were of the opinion that health care and college should be free to all. I asked where will we find the doctors and professors who are willing to work for free? It's shocking how people don't think through to the consequences.
Keith: It sounds like your neighbor is a typical
LIBERAL.
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What is so bad about a highly educated and healthy population?
 
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Originally posted by pbm:

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Originally posted by keith:

I had this discussion with a neighbor just the other week. They were of the opinion that health care and college should be free to all. I asked where will we find the doctors and professors who are willing to work for free? It's shocking how people don't think through to the consequences.
Keith: It sounds like your neighbor is a typical
LIBERAL.
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What is so bad about a highly educated and healthy population? [/QB]

The point is there is no economic free lunch. Guns or butter; you can't have it all unfortunetally. You have to pay for everything with this thing......it's called money......

I think the overwhelming problem is demographics. We as a country are getting older and unhealthier and a lot of our health insurance goes to funding for people who can't get it up.
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Originally posted by Cutehumor:
he will owe 10k which is alot for a 61 yr old man who can't work for three months.

His insurance doesn't have an annual out-of-pocket limit, or it's higher than 10k? Ouch.
 
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