Turn signal problems

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I recently replaced a headlight bulb, a fog light bulb, a front turn signal bulb, and the 3rd brake light bulb on my Pop's 1999 Oldsmobile 88. Now the turn signals have stopped working. When they are turned on, the light on the dash for the corresponding signal stays solid and nothing happens at the bulbs for the turn signals. It does it with both of them. Could the new bulbs have stunted the electrical system and blown a fuse or the flasher relays?

Thanks for any help.
 
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In that vintage of car - a steady dash light is usually the result of a blown bulb...did they all check OK after installation?

With all the bulbs you had to replace, a bad ground seems like a possibility as well...
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
In that vintage of car - a steady dash light is usually the result of a blown bulb...did they all check OK after installation?

With all the bulbs you had to replace, a bad ground seems like a possibility as well...


Yea, all the bulbs light up. I was under the impression that a very fast blinking turn signal was the result of a bad bulb and not a steady dash light.
 
If the headlights, taillights, fog lights and brake lights are all functioning OK and only the turn-signals are malfunctioning, I’d bet the replacement bulb is the problem, or another turn-signal bulb has gone bad. Flip the signal lever both ways and check the signal lights on all four corners of the car. Typically, if the signal indicator light on the dash stays on there is a bad bulb(s), and if the fuse is bad the dash indicators won’t come on at all.

It might be that the front turn signal replacement bulb you’ve used is the wrong one (an easy enough mistake to make), a bad bulb from the factory (it does happen, once in a million) or the bulb was put in wrong (hard to do, but possible). Take out the one that you put in as a replacement and then see if the other side turn signal works now – it should.

Double check the application, look in the owners manual or look up the manual online.
I believe that the manual calls for a 3157NA, make sure that’s what you have.

You didn’t say why you replaced any of the bulbs to begin with, which would be helpful, but it’s possible that a rear turn-signal bulb was the cause of the turn-signal problem to begin with, or at least is the problem now.
As mentioned a ground could be at fault.
I’m not a 100% sure, but I think ’99 Olds 88s had gone to a lighting module and won’t have a conventional flasher.

Keith
 
Verify the correct bulb is installed. Then check the flasher.

front turn signal is a Sylvania 3357LL-3457LL

rear turn signal is a Sylvania 2057LL

turn signal flasher is listed as one of 3...Tridon LF12, EL12 or LL552 so you'd have to match it up there.

note - this was pulled from Autozone's online catalog.
 
Originally Posted By: KB2008X


You didn’t say why you replaced any of the bulbs to begin with, which would be helpful


I replaced them all because they were burned out.

I'm going to poke around with it this afternoon. Thanks for the replies guys. If it's the flasher, the steering wheel has to come off. I'll take it to a shop for that.
 
No need to pull the steering wheel, the flasher is under the dash. Also check to see if the hazard lights work.
 
If you don't already have this figured out, I'll look at the diagram for you later today. I have some ideas based on how my own car (a Park Avenue, which is somewhat related) is wired, but I don't want to send you down the wrong path before I verify them. It is suspicious that none of the exterior bulbs illuminate on either side.
 
OK, I got home and looked at the diagrams. To my surprise, this car has a conventional switch and flasher circuit, rather than the complicated lamp control module like my PA has.

The turn/hazard switch has three inputs and four outputs:
#17/WHT/C202 pin A5: (in) Brake switch feed
#16/PPL/C202 pin A8: (in) Turn signal flasher feed
#27/BRN/C202 pin A9: (in) Hazard flasher feed
#14/LTBLU/C202 pin A11: (out) Left front turn signal
#15/DKBLU/C202 pin A10: (out) Right front turn signal
#18/YEL/C202 pin A7: (out) Left rear brake/turn signal
#19/DKGRN/C202 pin A6: (out) Right rear brake/turn signal

Circuit #14 (left front) goes to splice S235, where it branches off to the cluster lamp, the front turn signal bulb, and the front sidemarker. Similarly, circuit #15 does the same thing (the splice is S232). The left and right circuits have separate grounding locations G104 and G105.

If the cluster lamps come on, the wiring is good from the switch to the splices. It sounds like you have faults on both sides "downstream" of their respective splices.

It really could be the bulbs. The outer pair of contacts on dual-filament wedge bulbs is the for the bright filament. Pull them and check to see that the contacts inside the sockets look OK. Try a different set of bulbs if necessary.

The lamps in the rear of the car work correctly (except for not flashing), right?
 
Originally Posted By: AVB
No need to pull the steering wheel, the flasher is under the dash. Also check to see if the hazard lights work.


Thanks! I found it. It was the flasher that was bad.

Thanks Stu for taking the time on the wiring diagram!
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