TSMC needs to hire 4,500 Americans but it's "brutal" corporate culture is getting in the way
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There is a $280 billion carrot that the current administration is dangling in front of TSMC. Plus, the US has promised to bomb them into oblivion so from risk management perspective it's a prudent move to hedge your bets and bring some of the work to the US.
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When your GDP is based on printed money you can have numbers like this.
USA has the highest productivity per worker - as measured in $GDP divided by number of workers.
We also have the largest percentage of welfare recipients and gravy train riders. I am pretty sure everywhere I have worked 20% of the workers have produced 80% of the output.
I think the most productive would do perfectly fine working for TSMC. Maybe they would actually get rewarded for it, rather than simply be given more work to do. Its called the tyranny of the competent, and most employers take advantage of it - knowingly or unknowingly I don't know.
We also have the largest percentage of welfare recipients and gravy train riders. I am pretty sure everywhere I have worked 20% of the workers have produced 80% of the output.
I think the most productive would do perfectly fine working for TSMC. Maybe they would actually get rewarded for it, rather than simply be given more work to do. Its called the tyranny of the competent, and most employers take advantage of it - knowingly or unknowingly I don't know.
True and the price delta is narrowing quickly. A few years ago you could pick up an ice cream scoop that was Chinese made for $3 or sio. Granted not well made. The other day Wally world had an American made scoop for 25 dollars or so compred to $13 for the Chinese made scoop.
I put in my 9 in and I'm done. My bills are paid. And have the typical first world problems. Why should I work harder and longer? and then live a shorter, less meaningful life? If I were to be cynical, I'll never make what those at the top will, but me working extra hours means they get more money... I get it, they got to the top, and if I wanted to, I could work my way up there (maybe), but going back in time to 6 day at 12hr per day does not sound like "progress" to me.
The movement towards working less hours is overdue. Supposedly America gets the least amount of vacation days for first world countries, and then we don't even take all of them. Makes us wildly productive, but kinda explains the shorter lifespan I'd think.
That said, America didn't get to be first (or biggest or whatever metric you want) by sitting around and letting others do the work. I'm a bit conflicted on this point, if our upcoming generations are more willing to sit back and let other countries take the lead, what could happen?
Anyhow. I suspect TSMC is an extreme case. Hard to change corporate culture, change is hard in general. Now multiple that by cultural norms, and it becomes even harder.
The movement towards working less hours is overdue. Supposedly America gets the least amount of vacation days for first world countries, and then we don't even take all of them. Makes us wildly productive, but kinda explains the shorter lifespan I'd think.
That said, America didn't get to be first (or biggest or whatever metric you want) by sitting around and letting others do the work. I'm a bit conflicted on this point, if our upcoming generations are more willing to sit back and let other countries take the lead, what could happen?
Anyhow. I suspect TSMC is an extreme case. Hard to change corporate culture, change is hard in general. Now multiple that by cultural norms, and it becomes even harder.
I don't want to poo poo on your parade and as I recall, we both bought new Subaru Crosstreks about ten years ago. Since we bought our Crosstreks, you have bought 3 or 4 more new cars while I'm still driving my Crosstek. I value your opinion and I am not criticizing because we all have only one life to live and we should be able to live it as we choose.
I'm 61 now and retired three years ago at 58 and I suspect that you are about 20 years younger than me so I'll just close with this.
No one lies on their deathbed and looks back at their life and says "I wish that I had worked more overtime".
Once upon a time the American work ethic was strong as an oak tree. No more. Today the meme (set to music) is;
Cant blame the guy for working very hard to support his family and raise children.
Possibly, but likely not. Its $ of GDP. So a US worker produces $83 on average of GDP. However most of our economy is service driven, so its somewhat hard to pull out how that works - for example doctors, lawyers, bankers are all in the mix.
However I can tell you from working in 1000's of factories in the last 30 years - there are no American Factory workers "making" anything - there filling bins, operating machines, or repairing stuff. Just about everything produced here now is automated. You might have a stray part attached by hand or something, but for the most part its hands off.
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Nope. Not at all.
These numbers don't seem credible.
Where did you get them from?
Did you find an authoritative source?
This post is about needing 4500 qualified workers. We have to make them. Education is key. A 2 year tech degree at a Community College would fill many of those positions. And others would continue on to advanced degrees.
Semiconductors are the future. Do you want America to have it or do you wanna cede it to our enemies?
Semiconductors are the future. Do you want America to have it or do you wanna cede it to our enemies?
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All I can say is, W-T-heck? I don't know foundry stuff, but I can't imagine it being any more OTJ training than any other job. You get good at it by doing it--start in the field young, the equivalent of being the guy walking mail around and work up. Head into IC design, that I do know a bit more about, and it's kinda foolish to spend a year plus training anyone, not when typical retention is around 5 years these days. Bad ROI. Maybe in Taiwan they can count on retention, but in Silicon Valley? err, that's nearby, but you get the idea. Unless if they are holding a carrot out in front of people fresh out of college, I can't see anyone in their 30's (or more), with a family, house, usual trappings, wanting to spend a year (a year!) overseas for training.
We do have a few foundries in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
I didn't post the chart
I worked 6-7 days a week, multiple jobs.... for many years. It should not be a goal or the dream. It sucks. I did it to pay to raise a family. It's not good for the family though when you're burned out and bummed out on the little time you have off. I am on only 40hrs a week since Covid wrecked everything. It sure is nice having a little time off to work around the house. I still do small side jobs, mostly car and equipment repairs. I feel bad for people who are forced to work 90hrs a week to get by.
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The issue is that the rest of the culture, and expectations need to also align. Not just in the workplace.
Funny, my Chinese coworkers say the white collar jobs in China are very cushy and nobody works very hard. There, most jobs are subsidized by the government so nobody is busting their butt to get ahead. At least that is what they told me.
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Probably… like any reviews, the bad stuff usually is what compels folks to make reviews. We also have a number of toxic, adversarial outlooks in the country that is part of the class warfare, and creation of an underclass with no incentive to work. Mix their softness with their lack of work ethic, and it’s assured that when something goes south it will get a complaint.I think a lot ofis needed with Glassdoor.
