TS/Hurricane Milton

Is Rolling Stone Pop news?🤷‍♂️

‘Murdering meteorologists won’t stop hurricanes’​

“Seemingly overnight, ideas that once would have been ridiculed as very fringe, outlandish viewpoints are suddenly becoming mainstream and it’s making my job much more difficult.”

“Nowadays, there’s so much bad information out there that if we spent our time getting rid of it, we’d have no more time.”

“Stop lying about the government controlling the weather or else.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...mation-meteorlogist-death-threats-1235130352/
 
The weather establishments
Embellishment has ruined their credibility.
They have turned Weather events into catastrophes with words like “ get out now, or you will die” which was today’s warning to residents of Florida.

The weather is a mass media extravaganza, and don’t you worry, public officials will keep you safe just make sure you listen to them and forget about any common sense of your own.

The storm is powerful, but nothing like they are reporting and they still won’t tell the people the truth that it is now a sheared storm and rapidly dying. I’m watching the news right now from some reporters on the fifth floor of hotel rooms, barely breeze in Saint Petersburg, talking about the catastrophe, seeing Video shots of the skyline and everything else with the power still on.

Don’t get me wrong. This is a hurricane and hurricanes are strong storms. But this is just a media extravaganza.

Tune in to NBC, news guy on the fifth floor tells us how the eye is going to pass right over Sarasota Florida. So of course it’s going to be a hurricane there and that is not good but he’s lying, he is saying they are in hurricane force winds right now and it’s not even close to hurricane force then they go and they publish what NIAA is reporting out over the ocean for windspeeds.

Further embellishment is NOAA is calling for a storm surge of six to possibly 12 feet but the NBC crew embellishment keeps mentioning up to 15 feet and commenting how that is enough to cover the roofs of homes.
By the way, the Tampa tide level is 3 feet below normal right now. They have reported a wind gust in two locations of 90+ miles an hour., However, they still do not have hurricane force winds and the eye is on shore at Sarasota.
 
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alarmguy said:
Embellishment has ruined their credibility.
They have turned Weather events into catastrophes with words like “ get out now, or you will die” which was today’s warning to residents of Florida.

The weather is a mass media extravaganza, and don’t you worry, public officials will keep you safe just make sure you listen to them and forget about any common sense of your own.

The storm is powerful, but nothing like they are reporting and they still won’t tell the people the truth that it is now a sheared storm and rapidly dying. I’m watching the news right now from some reporters on the fifth floor of hotel rooms, barely breeze in Saint Petersburg, talking about the catastrophe seeing Video shots of the skyline and everything else with the power was still on.

Don’t get me wrong. This is a hurricane and hurricanes are strong storms. But this is just a media extravaganza. Tune in to NBC now news guy on the fifth floor tell us how the eye is going to pass right over Sarasota Florida so of course it’s going to be a hurricane there and that is not good but he’s lying he saying we’re hurricane force wins right now and it’s not even close to hurricane force then they go and they publish what Noah is reporting out over the ocean for windspeeds.
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None of the hype you're pointing out, has anything to do with the conspiracy theories being put out there.
 
Mechanician said:
None of the hype you're pointing out, has anything to do with the conspiracy theories being put out there.
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I removed the reference to your post
But the hype is from the weather news organization. That hype is being proven that this storm is nothing like they were forecasting even 12 hours ago and they’re still trying to make it sound like the major extreme hurricane that it is not
There isn’t any need for them except to attract advertisers for profit.

One wants to know the weather all they have to do is go to NOAA.GOV
Or the national hurricane center

I don’t publish hype, listening to the news tonight is laughable.
This is still a hurricane with hurricane force winds, but it is not as big as the news makes it sound. The hurricane wind field is 35 miles

“Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 35 miles (55 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 255
miles (405 km). A sustained wind of 54 mph (87 km/h) and a gust of
96 mph (154 km/h) was recently reported at the Sarasota-Bradenton
International Airport. A C-MAN Station in Venice, Florida recently
reported a sustained wind of 71 mph (115 km/h) with a gust to 90
mph (145 km/h). “

Nothing to sneeze at but not the storm of the century

Source without the embellishment
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/092355.shtml?
 
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If you read some books - like Isaac's storm, or Last Train to paradise - you find that storms 100 years ago were equally horrific, or even more so. The Galveston Hurricane killed thousands and covered the entire city in like 20 feet of water. The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane hit the keys as Cat 5, blew trains off the track, washed the rail bridge completely away in some places.

For many years things were quite calm in the Atlantic. Seems like maybe these things go in cycles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane
 
Mrs. Jimmy and I live in Clermont, Florida, about 25 miles due west of Orlando. It started raining about 10am and has rained all day, the wind got stronger as the day went on, right now if I had to guess I would say the gusts are maybe 50 mph. So far that's all it has been, wind and rain. The wind has been howling pretty loud at times, quiet at other times. Our house is less than ten years old, it's in good shape, built to modern storm codes and we are not in a flood zone. Yesterday I put sandbags on the front and side doors anyway though. I just hope we don't lose power. The power lines in our neighborhood are all underground, but the main power lines out by the highway a few miles away are up on concrete poles. I think if the lights stay on until morning we will probably be OK.
 
As of 9:30 PM, wind speed of 83 miles an hour in Sarasota. Just posting this in the interest of accuracy.
Wind gusts of course can be higher, but that is not how hurricanes are measured.
To embellish a little bit, they will constantly now be bringing up wind gusts which is still considerable but so far we have measured ground speed of 83 MPH not the 115 miles an hour that you see on your TV screen
 
SC Maintenance said:
If you read some books - like Isaac's storm, or Last Train to paradise - you find that storms 100 years ago were equally horrific, or even more so. The Galveston Hurricane killed thousands and covered the entire city in like 20 feet of water. The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane hit the keys as Cat 5, blew trains off the track, washed the rail bridge completely away in some places.

For many years things were quite calm in the Atlantic. Seems like maybe these things go in cycles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane
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Dr Bob Sheets at the NHC said that the Cape Verde hurricane would be much more active. And that was in the mid 1990s when he stated that.

And yeah it is cyclical.
 
SammyChevelleTypeS3 said:
That is good news that it will be decreasing in strength pretty fast as it slips across the state. Weather channel and locals often scare the h__l out of folks over these storms but that is actually a good thing. Better safe than sorry , especially for the folks with elderly or kids to take care of.
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I disagree…

Soooking people really bad when it clearly is not going to be that bad is a BAD BAD thing to do.

Because when a true legitimate dangerous storm approaches and it will not be rapidly weakening upon landfall…. People could easily think that they were crying wolf before and won’t listen.

Then the wolf shows up like Hurricane Andrew in 1992 with legit cat 5 winds that ripped off the anemometer at the NHC in Coral Gables Florida at 173 mph… People are in trouble then. Big, big trouble then.


Even tornado sirens can produce the same effect. Many people in Joplin Missouri mentioned that when the tornado sirens went off that time many of them thought it was just another regular tornado warning which meant hardly nothing was going to happen….

About 160 people died that afternoon in that legitimate EF-5 tornado. It was a massive tornado that happened very, very quickly. The video of that tornado is amazing because it started out right away as a EF-3 as soon as it hit the ground. Then it quickly ramped up to a EF-4 and then a EF-5 soon after that. Interestingly what made that happen that way was a second strong thunderstorm combined into the other thunderstorm and it instantly produced that extremely strong tornado. It was not just another roopty doo tornado warning.

Crazy that Mike Bettes of the Weather Channel showed up right after that tornado and when he broke down in tears in live television it was because he was seeing dead bodies right nearby where they were shooting live footage.
 
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I think besides the path of the hurricane across Florida will be the massive amounts of tornados as the most destructive and leading cause of death. Something I didn’t think about at the time.

Check out this statement in one county alone -
“St. Lucie County Sheriff Keith Pearson also confirmed to Fox Weather that there have been 17 tornadoes along with several fatalities in his county, with "a rescue mission ongoing, and hundreds of homes destroyed."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hurrican...da-destructive-winds-storm-catastrophic-surge
 
Mechanician said:
None of the hype you're pointing out, has anything to do with the conspiracy theories being put out there.
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Five years ago I would have rolled my eyes at those "conspiracy theories". Then I started working defense industry trade shows and saw what they were selling. Then after the past few years of getting "follow the science" screamed at me, when it wasn't science at all, I now at least listen to those "conspiracy theories" that you sneer at. At least understand why people think that way instead of just dismissing them.
 
c502cid said:
Five years ago I would have rolled my eyes at those "conspiracy theories". Then I started working defense industry trade shows and saw what they were selling. Then after the past few years of getting "follow the science" screamed at me, when it wasn't science at all, I now at least listen to those "conspiracy theories" that you sneer at. At least understand why people think that way instead of just dismissing them.
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Basically the MSM set the tone.

They make up stories, they certainly overly embellish and worse, they just ignore quite a few newsworthy details.

But have their opposition slightly embellish or cover something they ignored or got wrong, the trees are filled with howler monkeys.
 

“Florida dodged "worst-case scenario," FEMA director says“​

The bottom line is the governor of Florida is also saying the same thing and that is easy to find.

It was not the way it was being purported to be (in my eyes) with all the hysteria and wild claims for ground level, windspeeds and exaggerations last night. Don’t misconstrue what I’m saying. It’s still was a bad storm for many people.

OK, so here we go as you know I’m constantly pounding mass media for embellished reporting.
Surprisingly, the headline you see above was posted by CNN and less than 28 minutes they took it down and replaced it with something sounding more exciting.
28 minutes! I went back to do a screenshot of the story to post here and just as I was about to do so the screen jumped and the CNN headline story was changed to something more exciting and the FEMA director remarks were removed. Granted, just posted are the governors remarks that the storm was not the worst case scenario.
But under a more exciting destruction headline now
 
alarmguy said:

“Florida dodged "worst-case scenario," FEMA director says“​

The bottom line is the governor of Florida is also saying the same thing and that is easy to find.

It was not the way it was being purported to be (in my eyes) with all the hysteria and wild claims for ground level, windspeeds and exaggerations last night. Don’t misconstrue what I’m saying. It’s still was a bad storm for many people.

OK, so here we go as you know I’m constantly pounding mass media for embellished reporting.
Surprisingly, the headline you see above was posted by CNN and less than 28 minutes they took it down and replaced it with something sounding more exciting.
28 minutes! I went back to do a screenshot of the story to post here and just as I was about to do so the screen jumped and the CNN headline story was changed to something more exciting and the FEMA director remarks were removed. Granted, just posted are the governors remarks that the storm was not the worst case scenario.
But under a more exciting destruction headline now
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Self punishment! CNN?? Hahahahhahahahahahaaha

But yeah
 
Pablo said:
Self punishment! CNN?? Hahahahhahahahahahaaha

But yeah
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Yes, I do that at times! Even more so when I’m looking for embellished news stories.

But I have to be honest Fox News and Newsmax is still running yesterday’s epic disaster narrative and not today’s comments from the governor of Florida

Even USA today has this posted
"The storm was significant, but thankfully this was not the worst case scenario," Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a briefing Thursday. He cited the storm weakening before landfall and said the storm surge "as initially reported has not been as significant overall as what was observed for Hurricane Helene."
 
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You can't win with the weather. Give the worst-case scenario to minimize loss of life, it's not the worst-case scenario, and you're bad. Don't give the worst-case scenario, and it turns out to be the worst-case, more people die than necessary, and you're bad.

If I had to err on one side or the other, I'd rather have people think I was bad for trying to save as many lives as possible. Let's not forget weather forecasting is not easy, it's probabilistic, playing the odds based on currently changing data.
 
I bumped into a friend from high school this summer who has a PhD and works for NOAA. He's the nicest, most honest guy I know from high school. I'm kind of a weather buff so we had an hour-long conversation over a few beers and all I can say is his take is it still is not easy to predict the weather and they really do want to get it right. What struck me was he felt a tremendous amount of responsibility to get it as right as possible because it can on one end of the spectrum affect people's livelihoods (we were talking about a storm last year where they predicted up to 18" of snow as of late-afternoon the day before, we decided to close the next day, and when we woke the next morning the new prediction was 2-4") and on the other end of the spectrum cost people their lives.

He clearly feels that responsibility and yet he was the first to admit sometimes he's just wrong.
 
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