towing with honda accord

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I'd be much more worried about your transmission that the engine oil. You've got one of Honda's problem transmissions and it won't hold up with towing. More than likly it'll fail again way sooner than otherwise. Especially if ya have to go up any hills.

I'd use the 5W30 engine oil as the engine will run hotter towing.
 
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Originally posted by koner:
doubleshock-
Yeh, as I mentioned, I had an '89 Civic Wagon that I used to pull a small boat (c. 800 lbs. hankrr-
As far as their owning up to it, they had to own up to it. Those faulty transmissions were used for several years, and from everything I've read it was only Honda America that had that problem. No excuse at all for such long term neglect. They've lost a lot of customers because of that.


Yeah I know, I only wish they had the manuel option back when I got my Accord.....
 
"Not meant to sound critical but Doubleshockpower why did you choose Mobil 1 ATF? Perhaps the 97 CRV does not require the Z1 spec as does my 03 CRV? I'm just thinking the AMSOIL ATF would have been a better choice. Is the transmission holding up well? How many miles do you have on it with the new fluid?"

Been pulling the toys for two summers now, aprox. 20k..just turned 85k overall and I've owned this machine since new..transmission is perfect and this engine burns next to zero oil (I've never added any)....body is still in fine shape for 7 years old in our weather..these Hondas provide outstanding valu imo.
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the 5w-20 spec is for fuel economy. They undoubtedly tell you to change back after using 5w30 as a matter of being able to state their MPG numbers.

In my opinion, the engineers have specced the engine to be able to handle the load of the 1000 lb trailer while having 5w-20 in it for lubrication. Remember, the 5w-20 oils have different speccs to ensure that they stay in grade and dont thin out as easily when stressed.

So heres the issue... Go with a 0w-20 or 5w-20 oil that has the necessary specs for piece of mind, or go a little bit heavier, minus the specs, and hope that the viscosity provides reassurance. Tough call.

Buy do realize that ford truck engines are designed to tow heavy loads while running 5w-20... That may say something about the oils abilities, but not necessarily anything about your engine.

I would do one of three things:
1) run Mobil 1 0w-20... It meets all the specs, and is the right viscosity, but ought to hold up better in any situation, giving you security

2) run mobil 1 5w30 (or 0w-30, I suppose)...It does not meet the ford and honda specs for the lighter oils, but itll give you a bit more viscosity, while still being pretty close to what they spec your engine for. Remember, M1 30 weight oils are on the very low end of being 30 weight.

3) get a hold of the motorcraft GF-4 5w-20 and 5w30 oils. They are a group III blend, and are highly thought of on here. Keep 5w-20 in there normally, but when you change the oil prior to the season when you do your towing, maybe do a 50/50 mix of the GF-4 5w30. These oils are synthetic blends, should do well together, and the 5w30 ought to give you a bit more viscosity that youre apparently looking for. All while at least half-meeting the correct oil specs, and being quite cost-effective.

Id be more worried about your transmission and drivetrain than the engine. A 2.4L 4cyl engine can handle a pretty heavy load, its mainly reduced by the ability of the drivetrain and suspension to handle it. For example, the 138hp 2.4L 4cyl in my father's toyota previa is rated to tow 3500 lb. Its a RWD van though. My saab 2.0L turbo is specced for about 3000 lb towing, but it has a very stout drivetrain, albeit FWD.
Your engine may sound liek its straining, but thats more than likely due to gearing... a big 4cyl should be able to pull a 1000lb trailer without breaking a sweat, so long as you drive lightly and with good form.

Keep the transmission fluid changed often. I personally like to use OE or manufacturer tested and approved ATF when auto trans are concerned. Honda fluid is a good choice. Im sure there are good synthetics out there, but in an auto trans, I think fluid swapping is key, and I dont think that syn adds any benefits if things arent getting REALLY hot, since most of its properties which we love in engines are for naught in an auto trans, IMO.

Hope this helps,

JMH
 
Thanks for all the info. I just got back from Auto Zone, and since I don't plan to tow for some months to come, I bought Havoline 5w-20 and an AC Delco filter. I kinda wish I'd gone with Motorcraft. If I do decide to do some winter fishin', I guess I'll just replace it w/ Mobil 1 5w30. Maybe I'll take the Havoline back tomorrow. I might take the Delco back too, 'cause I ran by Pep Boys on the way home (it was on the way but I always forget about it until I've gone to the other parts stores) and found the Pure One filter.
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Hasty decisions.
 
IMO delco filters are the best... Might want to rethink that one. Ive gotten some startup noise using more restrictive filters.

JMH
 
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Originally posted by doubleshockpower:
My '97 (125hp) CRV is rated for 1000lbs also, I pull a 1000lb f-12 Aquatrax jetski and a pair of Foremans 1500lbs all over the hills of Michigans U.P.

I changed the oil to 5w-40 Delvac 1 and run a 2-1 ratio of Mobil 1 to Honda Z1 atf.

When I pull the Foremans, I use D3 and run 4000rpm all day long, hills are no problem, 17mpg.


Not meant to sound critical but Doubleshockpower why did you choose Mobil 1 ATF? Perhaps the 97 CRV does not require the Z1 spec as does my 03 CRV? I'm just thinking the AMSOIL ATF would have been a better choice. Is the transmission holding up well? How many miles do you have on it with the new fluid?
 
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Originally posted by Doug:
I'm with Jelly. I'd switch to a synthetic ATF. That will handle the heat better and longer. Definitely switch to synthetic.


I put the AMSOIL Universal ATF in both my Accord and the wifes CRV. It does carry the Honda Z1 rating.

Didn't notice any difference in the CRV but there was a clear difference (for the better) in the Accord.

Having said that though I DO have mixed feelings about it. I'm willing to take the risk but not sure I'd reccommend others to do the same.

Good discussion on this if anyone hasn't seen it yet:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=001212#000022
 
OK. Maybe I'll just try what I have and send in for an analysis and see what happens.
 
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