Top electric vehicle registrations in Europe by company, April 2025

[Bailes1992]

- GM had Opel, and it was clearly labeled as Opel - GM. GM was not on the car, but was on all docs and ads.

Don't be so sure! I had a '21 Vauxhall Insignia (basically a Buick Regal but with a tiny 3 cylinder diesel engine) which was the very last GM car sold in the UK by Vauxhall after they got sold to Stellantis. While yes, there was Vauxhall badges on the steering wheel, exterior and keys, all the parts had a GM logo somewhere on them. A lot of them quite visible such as windows, boot struts, inside the fuel filler cap etc.

Good car, spoiled by a poor engine. The 1.5 3 cylinder diesel engine was half of a 3.0 Duramax and it vibrated and rattled the car to pieces.

 

[alarmguy]

I like the seats in our M3P and I like the seats in our GS350 F Sport.
I like my leather shoes and belts, and my steak medium rare.

Here's the cheap plastic from the red cow in the RX450h F Sport... Just kidding @Trav; all good. I don't even know if it is leather or not...
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I don't know, medium rare can get kind of dicey. I prefer the meat on my plate not to move

 

[OVERKILL]

No one knows exactly what or how Tesla's vegan leather is made. Or cares to accurately account for all aspects of growing leather, and processing to be suitable for car seats. What we do know is Tesla Vegan Leather costs less, is nicer, and wears longer. Win, win, win.

Costs less? Absolutely. As does not including a HUD, gauges, turn signal stalks...etc. Is nicer? Not in my experience. But we may be comparing to different grades of leather. Same goes with wears longer, the seats in my M5 wore like iron and were incredible.

I firmly believe the cost of production is an accurate metric of resource consumption. If leather costs more then it consumes more resources.

I'm sure leather is more costly to process, but it's coming from cows, which are raised and slaughtered for food (the point I was making about it being renewable), vs being a petroleum product, which according to current consensus, is not renewable. Given the size and scale of the oil industry, it doesn't surprise me that manufacturing vinyl (or "vegan leather") is more efficient than processing a cow hide.

 

[OVERKILL]

In general only the seating surfaces are leather. Sides are vinyl.

Depends on the vehicle, the seats on my Jeep are leather all around, as were the seats in my M5. The seats on our Expedition were vinyl sided, which, as you note, is more typical.

 

[UncleDave]

Anybody check the numbers out of Norway where the new model Y is actually available?

 

[alarmguy]

Anybody check the numbers out of Norway where the new model Y is actually available?

Sales up 216% in Norway, compared to April 2024
Not sure how it works there and if it's a big deal but Tesla is offering 0% financing on the Model Y if purchased before the end of June.

"Tesla sales in Norway soar 213% in May, driven by Model Y demand"
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-sales-norway-soar-213-092923920.html

 

[Torrid]

So you are guessing again. Not in the Lexus I'm familiar with. Seating surfaces only.

If you want everything leather then you purchase an aftermarket seat cover. Have a pro install, not a job for an amateur. Depends on what you buy, equal or better than any OE seat.

Most of those aftermarket covers are seating surface only too. It usually takes custom made to get full seats. One of the reasons is to avoid squeaking against plastic components. For example most seats have cloth on the side towards the center console. No real guessing involved. I was just saying if someone told me Lexus took it further than that it would be a brand that wouldn’t surprise me. Heck most cars the flat part of the seating surface are leather and the side bolsters are vinyl.

 

[Torrid]

Anybody check the numbers out of Norway where the new model Y is actually available?

For sales numbers? They’re available in the US. I’ve seen a lot already. I know a couple of people who have them now.

I think the reported drop of sales in the US is accurate. I’m actually surprised it’s not worse.

 

[UncleDave]

For sales numbers? They’re available in the US. I’ve seen a lot already. I know a couple of people who have them now.

I think the reported drop of sales in the US is accurate. I’m actually surprised it’s not worse.

Im with you, I'm suprised how well they are still doing. I was more curious where the new Y is being delivered or not.

Im aware they are available in the states.

The new Y and 3 remain compelling autos whether you like the man & company or not.

 

[Torrid]

Im with you, I'm suprised how well they are still doing. I was more curious where the new Y is being delivered or not.

Im aware they are available in the states.

The new Y and 3 remain compelling autos whether you like the man & company or not.

For sure. I don’t know what I would trade to. I still love the cars. Probably wouldn’t buy one right now though.

 

[demarpaint]

Double digit sales declines for TSLA in Europe. More competition or less interest, or both? Time will tell.

 

[alarmguy]

One can never know what sales numbers are for any one country until outside sources estimate from registration data.
Tesla hides sales numbers except as a total sales from all countries combined

"Sales data for April 2025 is now in, and the skies over Tesla continue to get darker. The company steadfastly refuses to release sales figures by country and only reports total sales on a quarterly basis, which means official numbers are not expected until the first week of July. But many countries report new registration data on a monthly basis, which allows a fairly clear picture of the state of their market."
Source - https://cleantechnica.com/2025/05/1...-2025-continue-to-disappoint/#google_vignette

 

[Torrid]

Double digit sales declines for TSLA in Europe. More competition or less interest, or both? Time will tell.

I think anyone that doesn’t see how polarizing it is to get involved with politics no matter which side is chosen is learning right now.

 

[goblin]

I think anyone that doesn’t see how polarizing it is to get involved with politics no matter which side is chosen is learning right now.

This is if we assume that said anyone is making their money only from their most known business, and won't be able to generate more money by muddling the waters while given the control levers, however briefly. Which we shouldn't assume.

 

[UncleDave]

I think anyone that doesn’t see how polarizing it is to get involved with politics no matter which side is chosen is learning right now.

He needs to take a lesson from Larry Ellison in shutting his mouth, and not volunteering in no win situations.

 

[Torrid]

This is if we assume that said anyone is making their money only from their most known business, and won't be able to generate more money by muddling the waters while given the control levers, however briefly. Which we shouldn't assume.

I didn’t think we were discussing Musk’s success. I don’t care how he is doing. I thought we were specially talking about Tesla sales.

 

[demarpaint]

I think anyone that doesn’t see how polarizing it is to get involved with politics no matter which side is chosen is learning right now.

Not sure what you mean, I was mentioning what I heard on business news this morning. It had nothing to do with politics it had to do with their numbers in Europe.

 

[goblin]

I didn’t think we were discussing Musk’s success. I don’t care how he is doing. I thought we were specially talking about Tesla sales.

They (Tesla sales) are very directly impacted by his actions outside of Tesla, seems to be the consensus, and your earlier comment.

His actions, while counterintuitive in a logical and Tesla-centered perspective, could be very logical in his grand scheme of things. So it's quite difficult to dissociate them.

 

[Torrid]

They (Tesla sales) are very directly impacted by his actions outside of Tesla, seems to be the consensus, and your earlier comment.

His actions, while counterintuitive in a logical and Tesla-centered perspective, could be very logical in his grand scheme of things. So it's quite difficult to dissociate them.

I really struggle to see what your point is when the whole conversation has been overall vehicle sales and market share. Either I'm missing the point or it's completely irrelevant to the conversation. Why that would matter for what Musk makes and how much of that is attributed to Tesla itself is seems to be a separate issue altogether. For now sales are dropping and regardless of the reason if Musk is making more money from other ventures that means jack about the future of Tesla. All we know is that it made a wild downturn at the same time as his new very public role and that's likely to not be a coincidence at the same time that a new model and discounted rates have been put in place too.

I don't care what his intention is. The whole point of the thread was Tesla's shrinking sales. I'm not buying the 4D underwater chess tactic.

 

[Torrid]

Not sure what you mean, I was mentioning what I heard on business news this morning. It had nothing to do with politics it had to do with their numbers in Europe.

I fully understand. I'm saying that's what the reaction result has been. Product alone isn't doing that. It slowly stagnated at the end of last year with people waiting for the Y refresh, but fell off a cliff this year. It's far from coincidence.