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I am a battery man myself
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Is there any downsides to using Marine [Deep Cycle] Batteries in Passenger cars? I have heard some hearsay to the extent that the Deep Cycle must be run all the way down and recharged. It does not like to be left at full charge over night. Sounds like scut to me but who knows?

Optima's Yellow top seems to have bugs. The Optima BlueTope Marine seems to be bullet proof.

GM uses side terminal most other manafacs use top post. Is there any disadvantage to either? It seems like top posts seem to corrode quickly whereas side terminals are covered rather well to the outside.
 
Marine deep cycle batteries will not have the cold-cranking capacity that a car battery of the same physical size will.

Deep cycle batteries, like ALL lead-acid batteries, do not like to be left in the discharged condition, but they are more tolerant of it than car batteries.

You local telephone company's central office uses deep-cycle batteries (large ones) which are kept at full charge all of the time to power the equipment in the event of a power failure.
 
downside to using a deep cycle battery in passenger car, more specifically as a starting battery, is that it is better suited to providing a low current over long periods of time. Reserve capacity for example, which is 25 amps at 90 or 130 or 180 minutes. The way I understand it is they can do this because their internal plates are thicker. But what happens when it's used as a starting battery and you crank the engine over continuously like 10+ seconds is the battery will internally gas. And that's because of the way the plates are internally. When the battery gives out current the plates inside disintegrate in the electolyte and give off hydrogen/sulfur gas. The gas interferes which the chemical reaction which produces the electricity and the battery will give the appearance it's going dead. You have to let it sit for a minute or two to let the battery stabilize and then it'll seem like it's back at 100%, until you pull large amounts of current out of it again for too long a time. I don't believe it harms the battery at all unless the discharge is so rapid that it causes enough heat to damage it. With a "starting" battery, they are able to rapidly discharge, at least for a longer time, without the internal gassing affecting the chemical reaction.

Deep cycles do not NEED to be run all the way down to be recharged. They are however DESIGNED to be drained completely and fully recharged, many times, hence the term deep-cycle. What hurts the battery (any battery) is letting it sit in a discharged state for too long. The internal lead plates that are disintegrated are in a powder form in the electrolyte, fall to the bottom of the battery. Let it sit long enough and that powder material hardens. It's called sulfation. Once hardened the recharging process does not reintegrate that material back into plate form, and the battery loses electrical capacity, eventually becoming a weak battery that goes dead after cranking the starter for more than 5 seconds.
You also mentioned does not like to be left at full charge overnight- this is false. It is good to keep and maintain all batteries at full charge, or at 100%. All batteries internally discharge, so a float charger or maintainer is good.


Disadvantage to a side post terminal battery is that they leak. My acdelco in the '02 camaro had been leaking, and I caught it when I pulled it out of the car to recharge it on my workbench. I replaced it with an optima redtop which is a top post battery but has nicely designed terminals that give you side posts so it can be a drop in replacement. I don't think I'll ever buy another side terminal battery, they all have the potential to leak at the side posts. Inherent design flaw but I guess that's what you sacrifice to be able to get a small battery that'll fit in tighter spaces.
 
My understanding of sulfation is that it is lead sulfate that coats the plates. Lead sulfate is an insulator. It does not conduct electricity. The fact that presumed sulphated batteries will not accept any significant charge current backs this up.
 
Well I have a Group 75 GM side terminal .... the 34 & 78 or too big for the tray
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Usually the two BCI's are interchangeable in GM apps.

OEM CCA 690

There is an Optima BlueTop Marine D34 with 750CCA ...

I just have to install top post converstion adapters. Online there is one guy who runs the Optima BlueTop on his off road Jeep, 3yrs and counting.

Ford Trucks with the Grp65 are the best. This seems to be the most reliable BCI group for some reason. They last forever.
 
I have the Exide orbital running 5th year, on a second car, the first got totaled and I would have never believed that this battery would outlast my previous car. Too bad 1 FMF missed the point of electrolysis, no wonder that BRIANL703 is totally confused, I would be too if I did not study up on lead acid batteries, 1 FMF needs to read more literature on how lead acid batteries operate and function.

The discussion here is the whether it is a good idea to have one HUGE battery or two smaller batteries that add up to the comparable capacity. Our farm tractor back in the days had hook up for two smaller 90amp hour batteries to have a total of 180 amp hours. The theory being that large batteries require large plates which are more susceptible to vibration and thus failure down the road, where as smaller batteries have smaller plates, thus vibration will not crack the plates and knock off the SO4 crystals off the plates.

Personally I have no idea which system is better. I have seen large batteries perform just as well over and extended period of time just as smaller batteries connected in series or parallel adding to the comparable amp hour rating. I have also seen small batteries connected in parallel or in series die out just as fast as their bigger cousins.

Just as a side note, at work we have electric fork lift batteries ranging anywhere from 1000 to 1500 amp hours, I do not know the voltage, but talking with one of our mechanics it takes about 3-4 gallons of distilled water to refill the electrolyte level from low to normal. They have been in service for over 7 years and still going strong.
 
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Originally posted by kgb007stb:
The discussion here is the whether it is a good idea to have one HUGE battery or two smaller batteries that add up to the comparable capacity.

uhmmmmmm, the discussion here really is if it is a good idea to have ONE large 1000+ CCA battery in an application that was factory specced for a small 700CCA battery.

Thanks,

JMH
 
I own a 74 Ford F-350 farm truck equipped with an electric/hydraulic hoist (dump bed). This can put quite a strain on the electrical system. Rather than set up a dual battery system I purchased a Napa Marine DeepCycle/Starting battery. This is the spiral cell AGM battery. It works great. I own two of the Napa AGM batteries and two Optimas. I have been very pleased with both but the Optimas cost more. The very best batteries are none too good when your life depends on them.
Joe
 
"I dont want to harm the system by putting in too many CCA, CA, or too big of a battery"

It is the difference between pluging a table saw into an electrical system that has 150Kilowatts driven by a series 71 Detroit Diesel
OR
plugging that same table saw into an electrical system that has 1500 Megawatts driven by 6 nuclear reactors.

The difference is nothing.
The saw motor will draw only how much as it is designed to.

Now there can be too little power of course.
Such as plugging the electric saw into a small 1000 watt inverter. The saw wont run thru that board with the knot in it.

A large battery will not harm anything except your pocket book a bit in the begining.
 
and it may save a tow bill when the alternator dies 50 miles out.
i drove 165 miles at night on my dual battery setup with a dead alt.
then drove back home during the day with just the bare minimum loads.
it started the next day to get me to a friend with my spare alt.
 
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