toluene?

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Heard from an un-named supposedly knowledgeable source that if I add 1 gal of toluene to 19 gals of premium in my 1970 Lincoln Mk III, 460 cu. in. w/10.5:1 compression that it should solve all my pinging issues.

What do you guys think? Is this safe to try? Will I hurt the engine?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
look at the price of toluene per gallon. And the toxicity/carcinogenity.


+1
 
I use Aviation Gas in my 1970 Cyclone (11.3 to 1)

If you can find a local airport that allows you fill your own containers, try it.

AVGas by me is 100 octane and low-lead. My Cyclone knocks on 93 pump gas.
 
Originally Posted By: brentalan
I use Aviation Gas in my 1970 Cyclone (11.3 to 1)

If you can find a local airport that allows you fill your own containers, try it.

AVGas by me is 100 octane and low-lead. My Cyclone knocks on 93 pump gas.


Do I need to run pure AVGas, or some percentage with 93 octane premium?
 
many many years ago i burned some toluene in an open cup. the flame had a lot of black carbon in it. but i dont know what it means.
 
Before you do anything else, check the ignition timing and engine operating temperature. If everything checks out and it still pings, buy a few gallons of 100+ octane race fuel to blend with pump gas.
 
MSDS Sheets, report.

Toluene is a common solvent, able to dissolve paints, paint thinners, silicone sealants,[9] many chemical reactants, rubber, printing ink, adhesives (glues), lacquers, leather tanners, and disinfectants. It can also be used as a fullerene indicator, and is a raw material for toluene diisocyanate (used in the manufacture of polyurethane foam) and TNT. In addition, it is used as a solvent to create a solution of carbon nanotubes. It is also used as a cement for fine polystyrene kits (by dissolving and then fusing surfaces) as it can be applied very precisely by brush and contains none of the bulk of an adhesive.

Industrial uses of toluene include dealkylation to benzene, and the disproportionation to a mixture of benzene and xylene. When oxidized it yields benzaldehyde and benzoic acid, two important intermediates in chemistry. It is also used as a carbon source for making Multi-Wall Carbon Nanotubes. Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells in order to extract hemoglobin in biochemistry experiments.
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Toluene can be used as an octane booster in gasoline fuels used in internal combustion engines. Toluene at 86% by volume fueled all the turbo Formula 1 teams in the 1980s, first pioneered by the Honda team. The remaining 14% was a "filler" of n-heptane, to reduce the octane to meet Formula 1 fuel restrictions. Toluene at 100% can be used as a fuel for both two-stroke and four-stroke engines; however, due to the density of the fuel and other factors, the fuel does not vaporize easily unless preheated to 70 degrees Celsius (Honda accomplished this in their Formula 1 cars by routing the fuel lines through the muffler system to heat the fuel). Toluene also poses similar problems as alcohol fuels, as it eats through standard rubber fuel lines and has no lubricating properties, as standard gasoline does,[citation needed] which can break down fuel pumps and cause upper cylinder bore wear.
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In Australia, toluene has been found to have been illegally combined with petrol in fuel outlets for sale as standard vehicular fuel. Toluene attracts no fuel excise, while other fuels are taxed at over 40%, so fuel suppliers are able to profit from substituting the cheaper toluene for petrol. This substitution is likely to affect engine performance and result in additional wear and tear. The extent of toluene substitution has not been determined.[10][11]

Toluene is another in a group of fuels that have recently been used as components for jet fuel surrogate blends[12]. Toluene is used as a jet fuel surrogate for its content of aromatic compounds.

Toluene has also been used as a coolant for its good heat transfer capabilities in sodium cold traps used in nuclear reactor system loops.

Toluene had also been used in the process of removing the cocaine from coca leaves in the production of Coca-Cola syrup.[13]
 
Used to have 20L drums of it in my shed in the 80s to add to my fuel.

It's not nice stuff for people and their organs.
 
I use about 5 gallons of avgas with 15 gallons of premium in my Studebaker Avanti to stop the detonation in the summer months. Be aware that avgas has a high lead content, so don't use it in any engine requiring unleaded gas. You can use more avgas if necessary, but it doesn't have a bunch of cleaning additives in it. It also smells different when it burns and it turns the exhaust pipes light grey with continued use because of the lead.
 
Originally Posted By: Loobed
Toluene will act like an octane booster, but I think it is cheaper to get a real octane booster or mix some racing gasoline with regular gasoline to get he octane you need.


read this:

http://www.fueltechexperts.com/2008/08/08/octane-boosters-which-is-best/


Okay, read the article. Thanks Loobed!

From that article, I think I'll try the Amsoil 2000 Octane booster. I already buy a lot of Amsoil products, so I can just add that to my shipments.

I'll let you'all know how it turns out.
 
Originally Posted By: morris
many many years ago i burned some toluene in an open cup. the flame had a lot of black carbon in it. but i dont know what it means.


It means that it wasn't burning thoroughly. If you were burning it in a high compression gasoline engine that needs a very high octane gasoline type fuel it would burn more thoroughly and without the smoke. For clean burning in an open cup you might do better with isopropanol,ethanol, or methanol.
 
What a royal pain do do for a street car!
it could be worth it for a few runs/drives.
I'd retune and accept a bit of a loss . [but you have loss anyways if you are pinging]
 
Originally Posted By: morris
many many years ago i burned some toluene in an open cup. the flame had a lot of black carbon in it. but i dont know what it means.


Think about what happens when you do the same with gasoline - you'll get lots of black smoke doing that, too.
 
I've cured many an older high compression engine of pinging with simple tuning.

Jet a bit richer, back the timing off a bit, colder thermostat, and a set of colder plugs have made many an old american v8 happy with todays gas.
 
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