edyvw
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I'm yet to see Kumho that is "awesome" in the rain. Well, that depends on what tire you compare to it.
Tires with 90,000 mile tread wear warranty only lasting 40k to 50k miles (multiple brands).
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I get middle of the road tires and usually wait for sales if I can. Minivans and some SUV’s just chew up tires, it is what it is. No point in move up to more expensive offers that won’t last any longer. Got 30K miles out of the factory Yokohamas on the Sienna and that was pushing it. And I’ll be happy to get 30- 40K miles out of the Falken Pro G5’s on it now.
I know two people who dealt with this Michelin Pax issue on high option Odysseys' of the time. The only solution, of course, is new tires and wheels. It was an experiment that simply went the wrong way. But it was not an act of malevolance on the part of the manufacturer, and these vehicles with the proper fix are (were) absolute tanks that would easily run 300,000k provided regular oil changes and timely timing belt replacement. We had one that looked showroom at 150,000 miles after having been used and abused by the children. It was totalled unfortunately, but protected my wife who was t-boned in the drivers side. Honda may have a problem or two, but has never produced "crap, janky products."
15 year old worn slicks with cords showing?
edyvw
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The first consideration when thinking tires is performance, meaning safety. So, I really don’t get this.
I’ve bought higher tires and didn’t notice any considerable performance differences for daily driving situation. YMMV.
LOL that Pax system is stupid, just like the TRX that came before it, and yes, just another money grab. The proper fix is always to just chuck them and replace with regular wheels/tires
And of course, that Odyssey is known for transmission problems too
When it comes to treadwear warranties, there are some important lessons that I have learned.
First, don't sweat the small stuff, and worrying about whether you are going to get the manufacturer claimed treadwear out of a tire is small stuff.
A key to the first item is the second. Always buy tires from a tire company that has great customer service, and enough buying power with the tire manufacturers, so that the treadwear warranties will be honored.
It is almost guaranteed that tires on an AWD car will not last as long as the treadwear warranty. So just be sure to regularly rotate your tires, and keep a good alignment on your car. Then, when the 80k mile rated tires wear out at 45k, you make sure that the tire store gives you mileage credit, when buying a new set of tires.
Just don't wear the tires down too far. You will get less warranty allowance for tires that are worn down below 3/32".
Discount Tire is one of the best. Nothing is required on your part, except asking the tech to measure your old tires for a treadwear warranty claim. As long as the tires have worn evenly, and you have done regular rotations, DT will give you allowance towards new tires, and they will file the claim with the manufacturer. Easy peasy.
First, don't sweat the small stuff, and worrying about whether you are going to get the manufacturer claimed treadwear out of a tire is small stuff.
A key to the first item is the second. Always buy tires from a tire company that has great customer service, and enough buying power with the tire manufacturers, so that the treadwear warranties will be honored.
It is almost guaranteed that tires on an AWD car will not last as long as the treadwear warranty. So just be sure to regularly rotate your tires, and keep a good alignment on your car. Then, when the 80k mile rated tires wear out at 45k, you make sure that the tire store gives you mileage credit, when buying a new set of tires.
Just don't wear the tires down too far. You will get less warranty allowance for tires that are worn down below 3/32".
Discount Tire is one of the best. Nothing is required on your part, except asking the tech to measure your old tires for a treadwear warranty claim. As long as the tires have worn evenly, and you have done regular rotations, DT will give you allowance towards new tires, and they will file the claim with the manufacturer. Easy peasy.
edyvw
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What is daily driving? Do you drive 60mph in rain? If so, CR had few years back study where they were trying to figure out performance retention.
Difference between Michelin (best retention) and Yokohama (worst) was around 100ft braking difference in wet braking at 60mph.
We had that here somewhere posted 4-5yrs ago.
Imagine what happens in 100ft.
This is where a Costco membership can pay for itself. I have never had a bad experience or known anyone else getting tire warranty service at costco. The same goes for Discount Tire most of the time. I did have one instance where two tires in a set developed sidewall bulges. They wanted me to pay the difference between the tires I had and a higher priced option (by the same manufacturer) because they couldn't get anymore of the same ones I had. I pushed the issue to management and they ended up approving the better replacement at no charge. Caused a little hassle but they came through.
IME with these treadwear warranties, I got close to 60K on a set of Michelin Defender XTs and around 50K on my current X Tour T+H and hovering around 4/32nds of tread. On a set of Defender LTXs on a car that saw Uber, they nearly made it past the 50K mark before one tire was destroyed and I ended up replacing all four(50K treadlife). The replacements were also 50K rated Pirellis but we barely eked our 40k on them.
Michelin seems to last the longest compared to their treadlife warranty. The Chinesium is rated 40-50K but I’m doubtful.
Michelin seems to last the longest compared to their treadlife warranty. The Chinesium is rated 40-50K but I’m doubtful.
I think that by this point the trans problems died down, but I have a TL that was on its fourth tranny at 220,000 miles, which was unpleasant.LOL that Pax system is stupid, just like the TRX that came before it, and yes, just another money grab. The proper fix is always to just chuck them and replace with regular wheels/tires
And of course, that Odyssey is known for transmission problems too
Mine was lost in the great Harvey flood.
Bummer.
Just an observation -
I had a set of Yokoyama tires on my wife's Acura - they wore out fast - and Discount Tire was willing to prorate the tires if I bought a new set. It didn't have to be the same brand.
But by shopping around found a deal - that Discount Tire matched - I ended up paying less that if I would have prorated a "full price" tire.
I didn't try and negotiate a lower price - then ask for the prorated price of the lower cost - I doubt they would do that - but I didn't even try.
Same thing with a new battery - the prorated price was higher that a new higher rated battery from Sam's.
My point is that prorated price may not be the best price.
I had a set of Yokoyama tires on my wife's Acura - they wore out fast - and Discount Tire was willing to prorate the tires if I bought a new set. It didn't have to be the same brand.
But by shopping around found a deal - that Discount Tire matched - I ended up paying less that if I would have prorated a "full price" tire.
I didn't try and negotiate a lower price - then ask for the prorated price of the lower cost - I doubt they would do that - but I didn't even try.
Same thing with a new battery - the prorated price was higher that a new higher rated battery from Sam's.
My point is that prorated price may not be the best price.
I didn't know it was this bad on minivans. We're running Defenders on a Corolla and Forester with about 60k on each set of tires and the Corolla has about 6.5 32nds left and the Forester has a strong 7 32nds left.
Maybe these cars are extra easy on tires? But I'm guessing we'll at least reach 80k if not more before hitting 2-3 32nds.
Hi. Thanks for your post. Are you running the Michelin Defender 2 model, or some other Michelin Defender model without the “2” suffix?
The only thing I think when I see tires rated for alot of miles is, they will definitely last longer than cheap tires. Years ago my son bought a brand new toyota camry. one day I walked past it and the first tire was bald. Then I looked at the others and they were all bald, meaning no tread at all on them. At 25k miles. Right now my equinox has tires with 90k rated tires with about 55k on them. They might make it to 90k, as long as I keep driving it the way I do. The type of road the tires are driven on, the amount of weight the vehicle normally carries, and how much air is maintained in the tires are what determines how long tires last. I'm saying if you race the car at the track, or driving road rallies they will go the distance, you know they won't. There are too many conditions and situations to cause a tire to wear out prematurely. Even exposure to sun in hot climates will shorten the life. Just picking up a nail, or hitting a curb and knocking a hole in the sidewall will ruin your tire, and your day.,,