Tires with 90,000 mile tread wear warranty only lasting 40k to 50k miles (multiple brands).

[CarlB]

80,000 mile tread wear is for suckers. Don’t trade safety for $$$:

Plus it means they just get to sell you prorated tires. You're locked in or just "losing" the money if you swap models.

 

[Bill7]

The problem was this is when PAX was fairly new on the US market and Michelin, Honda and the dealers all lied by telling customer the tires would be no more difficult or more expensive than regular tires and every Honda dealer would have the PAX machine supplied by Michelin.
All of them knew this was a crock and very few if any would have the machine and the no more expensive tires were in fact a $2800+ exchange service every 19-20K vs 1200-1600 if the tires alone were actually available. After telling customer in writing they could only use PAX tires and wheels for safety reasons in 2007 they discontinued this garbage and Honda got sued, all of a sudden it was perfectly okay to use other tires and wheels.
I never bought another Michelin tire or Honda vehicle, both companies are IMO the epitome of scumbaggery (I just made up that word).

I will not mention the leaked Honda pdf from around 2003 claiming they are telling customers to go a full OCI on their new cars, they said in black and white it was to make them appear "green". I should have saved it but I didn't realize the future implication of this statement in the future as German market was still first OCI at 1,000 km. Today you cannot find it anywhere similar to the Mobil 1 full synthetic pdf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin_PAX_System

https://www.tirereview.com/pax-system-class-action-suit-settled/

Thanks for that historical info and links. The issue I see repeatedly with Hondas in general are: They have brilliant engineers that come up with very creative engine designs (like VCM, earth dreams, or small turbo engines), but they don't do enough quality assurance on the new designs, so that all kinds of horrible issues turn up years later on the unsuspecting owners.

I think that is where Toyota is superior, as Toyota spends the extra time and money to do that extra quality assurance before their vehicles start getting mass produced.

 

[edyvw]

Thanks for that historical info and links. The issue I see repeatedly with Hondas in general are: They have brilliant engineers that come up with very creative engine designs (like VCM, earth dreams, or small turbo engines), but they don't do enough quality assurance on the new designs, so that all kinds of horrible issues turn up years later on the unsuspecting owners.

I think that is where Toyota is superior, as Toyota spends the extra time and money to do that extra quality assurance before their vehicles start getting mass produced.

Owning both, different issues, same crap.

 

[CKN]

Thanks for that historical info and links. The issue I see repeatedly with Hondas in general are: They have brilliant engineers that come up with very creative engine designs (like VCM, earth dreams, or small turbo engines), but they don't do enough quality assurance on the new designs, so that all kinds of horrible issues turn up years later on the unsuspecting owners.

I think that is where Toyota is superior, as Toyota spends the extra time and money to do that extra quality assurance before their vehicles start getting mass produced.

Having just traded a Toyota Highlander with low miles on it-I can tell you the power train is reliable-if not totally refined and plastic bits that are used elsewhere are not that great. As I said previously-it's reliability and mediocrity all rolled in to one.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I've been buying name brand expensive tires with 80,000 to 90,000 mile treadwear warranties:

Michelin Defender 2 All Season P235/65R16 103H Passenger Tire (80,000 mile treadwear warranty),
and
Hankook Kinergy PT (H737) All Season 235/65R16 103T Passenger Tire (90,000 mile treadwear warranty),

for my 2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L and my two 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's.

Sadly, the tires drop below 2/32's in tread depth between 40,000 miles and 50,000 miles.
I do tire rotations every 5,000 miles, and I do periodic wheel alignments.
I keep all 4 tires at 35 psi as per the plackard near the driver's door.
My mechanic has checked the struts, no issues.

I know minivans are very heavy and could be expected to wear out the tires faster than a lighter vehicle,
but still, I am concerned about paying so much for a premium tire and having them last half their expected mileage.

My next set of tires are going to be very low priced lesser known brand tires (like Achilles which are made in Indonesia),
just to see if they can also go the same 40,000+ miles before the tread gets below 2/32nds.

Has anyone ever got more than 50,000 miles out of a tire for any minivan, and if so, what brand/model tires were you using?

Thanks

And you can't take advantage of the pro-rata warranty?

 

[MaximumMini]

Minivan's are rather hard on tires and other wear items such as interior bits.

Hmmm....
I own 3 minivans and seem to get about the same lifetime from those tires as on my cars.
30k to 40k is about average. I rarely wear out the tread. It's usually due to the belts fatiguing eventually.

I think it depends a lot on the loads you carry in the minivan, the tires themselves and the alignment.
It also depends on where you drive and how you drive. Bad roads can really shorten tire life.
Since I do all my own alignments and wheel balancing at home, maybe that's why my tires last longer?
Did you think all alignment shops get it "perfect" every time? Have you ever checked?
Also, I've always found that some "better" tires wear out far faster. Pay attention to those wear ratings.

 

[FZ1]

I've been buying name brand expensive tires with 80,000 to 90,000 mile treadwear warranties:

Michelin Defender 2 All Season P235/65R16 103H Passenger Tire (80,000 mile treadwear warranty),
and
Hankook Kinergy PT (H737) All Season 235/65R16 103T Passenger Tire (90,000 mile treadwear warranty),

for my 2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L and my two 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's.

Sadly, the tires drop below 2/32's in tread depth between 40,000 miles and 50,000 miles.
I do tire rotations every 5,000 miles, and I do periodic wheel alignments.
I keep all 4 tires at 35 psi as per the plackard near the driver's door.
My mechanic has checked the struts, no issues.

I know minivans are very heavy and could be expected to wear out the tires faster than a lighter vehicle,
but still, I am concerned about paying so much for a premium tire and having them last half their expected mileage.

My next set of tires are going to be very low priced lesser known brand tires (like Achilles which are made in Indonesia),
just to see if they can also go the same 40,000+ miles before the tread gets below 2/32nds.

Has anyone ever got more than 50,000 miles out of a tire for any minivan, and if so, what brand/model tires were you using?

Thanks

If I get 40 out of the Defender 2's on my Camry, that'ill be twice as much as I got out of the Energy Savers, get my pro rate and keep Rollin'.

 

[MaximumMini]

The faster wearing tires are Michelin and Pirelli...regardless of their marked wear ratings. Or so is my experience.
They both grip the road pretty good though.
Common sense can explain this.

 

[Cruisin'n5thgear]

I've been buying name brand expensive tires with 80,000 to 90,000 mile treadwear warranties:

Michelin Defender 2 All Season P235/65R16 103H Passenger Tire (80,000 mile treadwear warranty),
and
Hankook Kinergy PT (H737) All Season 235/65R16 103T Passenger Tire (90,000 mile treadwear warranty),

for my 2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L and my two 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's.

Sadly, the tires drop below 2/32's in tread depth between 40,000 miles and 50,000 miles.
I do tire rotations every 5,000 miles, and I do periodic wheel alignments.
I keep all 4 tires at 35 psi as per the plackard near the driver's door.
My mechanic has checked the struts, no issues.

I know minivans are very heavy and could be expected to wear out the tires faster than a lighter vehicle,
but still, I am concerned about paying so much for a premium tire and having them last half their expected mileage.

My next set of tires are going to be very low priced lesser known brand tires (like Achilles which are made in Indonesia),
just to see if they can also go the same 40,000+ miles before the tread gets below 2/32nds.

Has anyone ever got more than 50,000 miles out of a tire for any minivan, and if so, what brand/model tires were you using?

Thanks

Are you buying the tires from a shop that can get you prorated refunds when they wear short of their mileage warranty? Discount Tire always hooks me up.

 

[Tdbo]

I had both a 2000 and a 2006 Odyssey van.
They are tire hogs. Anything over 40K is a gift (at least the way Mrs. Tdbo drives it is.)
I had at least 4 sets of Michelins combined on both of the vans, and that level of wear appears to be the average.
I got rather fed up and the last set of tires that I put on the '06 was General Altimax rt43's.
I saw no difference in handling, and felt that the wear was marginally better.