Tires with 90,000 mile tread wear warranty only lasting 40k to 50k miles (multiple brands).

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I've been buying name brand expensive tires with 80,000 to 90,000 mile treadwear warranties:

Michelin Defender 2 All Season P235/65R16 103H Passenger Tire (80,000 mile treadwear warranty),
and
Hankook Kinergy PT (H737) All Season 235/65R16 103T Passenger Tire (90,000 mile treadwear warranty),

for my 2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L and my two 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's.

Sadly, the tires drop below 2/32's in tread depth between 40,000 miles and 50,000 miles.
I do tire rotations every 5,000 miles, and I do periodic wheel alignments.
I keep all 4 tires at 35 psi as per the plackard near the driver's door.
My mechanic has checked the struts, no issues.

I know minivans are very heavy and could be expected to wear out the tires faster than a lighter vehicle,
but still, I am concerned about paying so much for a premium tire and having them last half their expected mileage.

My next set of tires are going to be very low priced lesser known brand tires (like Achilles which are made in Indonesia),
just to see if they can also go the same 40,000+ miles before the tread gets below 2/32nds.

Has anyone ever got more than 50,000 miles out of a tire for any minivan, and if so, what brand/model tires were you using?

Thanks
 
Where are you getting these tires installed? When I buy them at AT, they give me prorate off the purchase, which for my Sienna, as you can imagine, is very hefty. So the issue about an 80K tire lasting less than half that, isn't nearly as big a deal. But I have to buy the old and the new set there, to get the prorate.
 
paulri said:
Where are you getting these tires installed? When I buy them at AT, they give me prorate off the purchase, which for my Sienna, as you can imagine, is very hefty. So the issue about an 80K tire lasting less than half that, isn't nearly as big a deal. But I have to buy the old and the new set there, to get the prorate.
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I buy them at my local Walmart. They gave me a very hard time with the pro-ration.
I was able to have some success with it, but it took a lot of effort to talk with a few coaches and later the store manager.
But pro-ration is never generous or what you would think it should be.
 
paulri said:
Where are you getting these tires installed? When I buy them at AT, they give me prorate off the purchase, which for my Sienna, as you can imagine, is very hefty. So the issue about an 80K tire lasting less than half that, isn't nearly as big a deal. But I have to buy the old and the new set there, to get the prorate.
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The Sienna AWD have the run flat tires, which I've read might only last 20k miles and are very expensive (near $900 for a set of 4).
But with the Odyssey, I just want the tires to last a long time, as each Odyssey I have is driven almost 20k miles a year due to long commutes by various family members.
 
You are doing well. 2005 Odyssey Michelin PAX tires 19K and 0/32nds, no machine available to change the PAX so Honda exchanged them for $750 each for a new tire on reconditioned wheel exchange with the ones from the van. That was 2007 price.
These crooks even put "you cannot use normal tires and wheels as the suspension was specifically designed for PX" in the owners manual. I put aftermarket wheels and new normal tires with Honda Pilot TPMS sensors and it was fine. Part number for suspension were the same for PAX and non PAX vans.

A couple of years go by then Honda comes out with because of the PAX issues it is okay to use non PAX wheels and tires with Pilot TPMS.
I refuse to buy either of their crap janky products to this day.
 
I have found that the more turns (curves) you take, the faster the wear. A friend of mine would get 90-110K miles on a set of tires on a Ford pickup, but his driving was 60MPH (2-lane) and mostly straight roads. The route to my work is 25 miles of hills and curves, and I can't get tires to last 50K even taking the route slow and easy. Road condition makes alot of difference as well, smooth pavement VS rough. Add teh torque used on acceleration (Read: Jack rabbit starts) and the weight of a large SUV or van, and tires wont make it long.
 
Going on 50-55k on the 19” rim Michelin Defender LTX XLs on our Odyssey. We’re at 91k now and I got them like 35-40k.
 
I almost never have an issue with prorated tires at Americas Tire, but then again, you have to buy both the old set & new set there. The only times I've had a problem has been when they told me "the next time you come in for a rotation, you'll need a new set," and then I come in and buy a new set, and then they tell me the tread is too deep. But that rarely happens. And I can eliminate that just by verifying before the new set is put on, that I can get prorate on each tire.

Bill7 said:
I buy them at my local Walmart. They gave me a very hard time with the pro-ration.
I was able to have some success with it, but it took a lot of effort to talk with a few coaches and later the store manager.
But pro-ration is never generous or what you would think it should be.
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Bill7 said:
I buy them at my local Walmart. They gave me a very hard time with the pro-ration.
I was able to have some success with it, but it took a lot of effort to talk with a few coaches and later the store manager.
But pro-ration is never generous or what you would think it should be.
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What tire stores are in your area?
 
It also depends on the road surface, it varies quite a bit state by state and county by county. Some are quite tire killers.
I got a few years back and am still quite happy with Sumitomo Encounter HT tires, they now have HT2, they come with 60k miles Treadwear.
I'm not doubting mine will last as long, running them on Sportage. Bought them after speaking with a sales guy at work who bought tires for his RAM truck as he drove a ton going to different mines mostly on road and some off pavement as well. He claimed they are very long lasting and my experience so far seconds it. May be check those out. Before I got the Encounters I was considering Conti LX20 and General Grabber APT.
 
Bill7 said:
I've been buying name brand expensive tires with 80,000 to 90,000 mile treadwear warranties:

Michelin Defender 2 All Season P235/65R16 103H Passenger Tire (80,000 mile treadwear warranty),
and
Hankook Kinergy PT (H737) All Season 235/65R16 103T Passenger Tire (90,000 mile treadwear warranty),

for my 2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L and my two 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's.

Sadly, the tires drop below 2/32's in tread depth between 40,000 miles and 50,000 miles.
I do tire rotations every 5,000 miles, and I do periodic wheel alignments.
I keep all 4 tires at 35 psi as per the plackard near the driver's door.
My mechanic has checked the struts, no issues.

I know minivans are very heavy and could be expected to wear out the tires faster than a lighter vehicle,
but still, I am concerned about paying so much for a premium tire and having them last half their expected mileage.

My next set of tires are going to be very low priced lesser known brand tires (like Achilles which are made in Indonesia),
just to see if they can also go the same 40,000+ miles before the tread gets below 2/32nds.

Has anyone ever got more than 50,000 miles out of a tire for any minivan, and if so, what brand/model tires were you using?

Thanks
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ALWAYS been that way, especially with heavy vehicles. I always give tires the 60% of what they say the tire mileage is. 45%-50% if I am driving the car. Been pretty accurate so far.
 
I believe it’s how vehicle is driven and how many sharp turns it makes.

If warranty is 90k you can a credit towards next set of tires if you can prove to manufacturer what they ask documentation for , rotations etc
 
DT always give proration. Now, whether it is fair or not, I am not sure. Depends on the sales person.
The 80K will be the denominator when they do proration so chances are you will get slightly more as long as the seller give it to you.

By the way, I have never had any tires last whatever warranty mileage stated.
The expensive tires like Michelin can last to 40k to 50k.
The cheap tires last around 15k to 20k. IME.
Heat and Sun plays an important role on how long tires last.
 
There were some clever posts a couple years ago between sienna and odyssey drivers on this forum narrowing down to the darling tires that were the right size and spec AND load range ratings where they were getting 40-50k out of a set. I can’t remember if they found LT offerings that fit or if it was just a size that had multiple load ratings to choose from. I’d dig around on tire rack for your size and see if higher LR options can be sourced.
 
I too owned a 2006 Honda Odyssey. I would give up (in general) of trying to think any tire is a "80K" or "90K" tire. That's like saying an oil is a "20K" oil. Not realistic, won't happen. If you get 50K, feel good. Anything past that you win. Ignore the "90K" claims, Its marketing.
 
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