Thousands of gold bars withdrawn from Bank of England.

Imho, for a regular Joe, it's good to have gold in 1oz bars or coins and silver in 1oz and a bit larger bars and coins but to some extend due to their value for either future generations or shtf scenario. PMs are not easy to move especially across borders and they don't appreciate fast enough to get rich fast.
I know many people diss crypto due to misunderstanding and crypto prices volatility, that volatility is the key to making big profits, one just needs to understand the cycles and to time investing and taking profits right.
Yes, we understand that cryptocurrency is basically like Dutch Tulip Mania.

Gold is actually real and that helps the credibility along. Which jewelry do you make with Bitcoins? What industrial uses does it have? Is it in a vault? Is it pretty? Can I have some in actual coins.

Speculating that someone else may be foolish enough to pay more, sort of works til it doesn't. This is what's going on with "cryptocurrency". That's where this extreme volatility comes from. Feelings and sentiments and moods. To an extent, any investment, except this one is not real.

I can pay for things with US Dollars. Where do I straight up pay for something with a Bitcoin? I know they make debit cards that convert and charge you fees, and then there's another Capital Gains/Loss entry on the tax form. Are you going to do that more than 200 times that year and summarize? Can you survive the audit? What about when it's missing cost basis on some of the entries so they just put "*"?

I don't touch this stuff.
 
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The money in gold was when we were buying in the late 90s. Eagles, maple leafs, etc., and my favorite, actual eagles and double eagles from a century ago.

Good was obsolete, and I recall hearing reports that central banks were unloading.
 
Things are complicated, you say US dollar but there is no such thing anymore, it's Federal Reserve dollar that US was tricked into accepting to use. Crypto is very heavily manipulated by biggest financial players, Bitcoin is not a currency replacement to use for goods and services payments, at least not for many years yet and I doubt it ever will.
But reality is BTC can be used to build great wealth now and if one chooses to ignore this opportunity is their choice, just like a person who's physically capable to do oil changes may want to choose not to, not willing to learn, get hands dirty or not interested in saving money. In Canada we pay tax on capital gain on 50% of gain amount which is already a tax reduction. If one invested in BTC ETFs inside TFSA account then there is no tax. Last year max TFSA contribution was C$95k, BTC price went up about 4 times since Sept of 2023. Math doesn't lie.
 
Things are complicated, you say US dollar but there is no such thing anymore, it's Federal Reserve dollar that US was tricked into accepting to use. Crypto is very heavily manipulated by biggest financial players, Bitcoin is not a currency replacement to use for goods and services payments, at least not for many years yet and I doubt it ever will.
But reality is BTC can be used to build great wealth now and if one chooses to ignore this opportunity is their choice, just like a person who's physically capable to do oil changes may want to choose not to, not willing to learn, get hands dirty or not interested in saving money. In Canada we pay tax on capital gain on 50% of gain amount which is already a tax reduction. If one invested in BTC ETFs inside TFSA account then there is no tax. Last year max TFSA contribution was C$95k, BTC price went up about 4 times since Sept of 2023. Math doesn't lie.
Cryptocurrency is being regulated to death especially through the Internal Revenue Code and falsely categorized as a form of real property so that it can be taxed in the most obnoxious way possible to discourage people from using it, The only way to avoid punitive taxes is to make sure you don't accidentally dispose of any that you haven't held for at least a year, then disposing of them creates another entry in the Form 8949 for Schedule D for that tax year, otherwise you end up owing them taxed as ordinary income on the gains. Since crypto is volatile, this screws up short term plays if you were planning to ride one of those waves of sentiment and then dump it.

Sometimes your tax forms required for figuring out your cost basis will be missing the cost basis, or you'll get a 1099-K, and then you have to figure out what to do then, and pray it doesn't get audited. I saw people getting their tax forms from some of those exchanges in March when they had all their other forms in January, then to find out the form was incomplete, or had errors, and the only thing to contact was a chatbot. There were other people that got their money frozen and were accused of fraud, or had it all drained out with no warning.

Which is not something that tends to happen in bank accounts, and legitimate investment platforms for stocks, bonds, and other real securities.

However that's all just as well since it's pretty much a zero sum game.

New tokens enter the market, but how? Well with Bitcoin they get harder and harder until there aren't any. People waste power (and a lot of it) "mining" a thing that's not real. Actual harm ensues.

With Dogecoin, the tokens were a joke in that the process is very inflationary, like they just come pouring in and it makes no sense at all whatsoever, whereas Bitcoin is too deflationary.

As to the Fed, I would like to see the Federal Reserve be torn down and remodeled in the sense of the Bank of North Dakota, personally.

The Bank of North Dakota is an asset to the State's finances because it remits all of the profits from its operation to the State's General Fund. I think the first step in balancing the federal books should be to mandate remittances to the Treasury instead of working to make profit for the member banks. In a public banking model, the Central Bank could be a depository for the Federal Government's cash flow and manage investment activities. It could take on the functions of an investment bank, putting out loans to the private sector and absorb the daily activities of the Export-Import Bank.

Having a Central Bank that is owned by private banks and regulated by people who have spent their lives at those banks is just a recipe for corruption, frankly speaking.

As to Exchange Traded Funds, I like them. The regulatory framework in the US is fairly robust and fraud, while it happens, is scarce as these things go. Ups and downs can happen. You diversify so you're not exposed to too much risk from any particular thing.

I'm kind of horrified that Indiana is considering "investing" State employee pensions into Bitcoin ETFs. This is clearly considered by some people who have no idea what they're up to, and there's the potential for destabilizing the pensions and having them taken over by the Social Security Administration, who sends them a bill. :)
 
If you are going to buy gold, buy and hold the metal.
Gold stock and paper are nonsense.

It's not a great form of investment per se because it cant split, pay dividends, it can only appreciate. It is a great form of wealth protection however as our dollar slowly become less a less valuable over time.

I find coins are the easiest to acquire and verify when selling or buying through several traditional methods.

I live in gold country where it's still pulled from streams assayed & sold with regularity. This is rare today but it still actually happens where I live.

1OZ use the be the standard denomination but that become too large and I now prefer the smaller 1/4 and 10nth coins. I only bother with known "4" nines mints although rare older and odd stuff is kind of neat.

Something - anything , is only worth what you can get for it right now today and last I checked a single coin I paid 350 around 93 is now worth 3K.

As good a buy as apple, or microsoft stock - no, but I have those too.
 
If you are going to buy gold, buy and hold the metal.
Gold stock and paper are nonsense.

It's not a great form of investment per se because it cant split, pay dividends, it can only appreciate. It is a great form of wealth protection however as our dollar slowly become less a less valuable over time.

I find coins are the easiest to acquire and verify when selling or buying through several traditional methods.

I live in gold country where it's still pulled from streams assayed & sold with regularity. This is rare today but it still actually happens where I live.

1OZ use the be the standard denomination but that become too large and I now prefer the smaller 1/4 and 10nth coins. I only bother with known "4" nines mints although rare older and odd stuff is kind of neat.

Something - anything , is only worth what you can get for it right now today and last I checked a single coin I paid 350 around 93 is now worth 3K.

As good a buy as apple, or microsoft stock - no, but I have those too.
Stock splits don't increase value. That's why Berkshire doesn't split and never has, and keeps getting more expensive.

Warren Buffett has said they're just a gimmick, and they've done just fine without stock splits, and his view on cryptocurrency is similar, that you'd have to be a fool to invest in it.

But investing in Berkshire is pretty diversified because they're into so many things and business types, and lots of it is insurance and they hold various forms of Treasuries as a place to park many billions of dollars of cash-like investments. You'll notice that he didn't ever go full blown SVB and go long on 10 to 30 year Treasury Bonds when the interest rate couldn't get much worse. The man is not stupid.

Dividends are nice, but they should be reinvested, ideally, which is what ETFs tend to do naturally to increase their own share price faster and return money for the investors in the ETF.

Buying and selling physical gold isn't as lucrative as owning ETF shares that own gold, because you're going to run into inefficiencies in trying to sell it. If you have to sell it to raise money right now, I can sell some ETF shares and have money the same or next day. You might have to resort to selling it to a shop that's going to give you a lowball figure so they can profit.

We might both make money, but I'll probably make a lot more, all things being equal.

I wouldn't be throwing money in Apple stock. Or Microsoft. Or Google. Or anyone that is throwing ridiculous amounts in LLM research, which is pointless and radically destructive. They accumulate debt and lay waste to productive departments and R&D and so going long is not a good idea. In fact, if you're diversifying you should have a blend of investments across many industries and asset types, so that they're not likely to all do badly. The US large cap is too exposed to these GAFAM companies, and that's going to bite people hard.

A good portfolio is always going to be blended and rebalanced so that risk is contained.

But Berkshire is one of the good individual stocks and I don't think that will change as long as Warren Buffett is alive. Hopefully they have someone good lined up to succeed him.
 
Stock splits don't increase value. That's why Berkshire doesn't split and never has, and keeps getting more expensive.

Warren Buffett has said they're just a gimmick, and they've done just fine without stock splits, and his view on cryptocurrency is similar, that you'd have to be a fool to invest in it.

But investing in Berkshire is pretty diversified because they're into so many things and business types, and lots of it is insurance and they hold various forms of Treasuries as a place to park many billions of dollars of cash-like investments. You'll notice that he didn't ever go full blown SVB and go long on 10 to 30 year Treasury Bonds when the interest rate couldn't get much worse. The man is not stupid.

Dividends are nice, but they should be reinvested, ideally, which is what ETFs tend to do naturally to increase their own share price faster and return money for the investors in the ETF.

Buying and selling physical gold isn't as lucrative as owning ETF shares that own gold, because you're going to run into inefficiencies in trying to sell it. If you have to sell it to raise money right now, I can sell some ETF shares and have money the same or next day. You might have to resort to selling it to a shop that's going to give you a lowball figure so they can profit.

We might both make money, but I'll probably make a lot more, all things being equal.

I wouldn't be throwing money in Apple stock. Or Microsoft. Or Google. Or anyone that is throwing ridiculous amounts in LLM research, which is pointless and radically destructive. They accumulate debt and lay waste to productive departments and R&D and so going long is not a good idea. In fact, if you're diversifying you should have a blend of investments across many industries and asset types, so that they're not likely to all do badly. The US large cap is too exposed to these GAFAM companies, and that's going to bite people hard.

A good portfolio is always going to be blended and rebalanced so that risk is contained.

But Berkshire is one of the good individual stocks and I don't think that will change as long as Warren Buffett is alive. Hopefully they have someone good lined up to succeed him.

Berkshire isnt the only success story and I did pretty well with both apple and microsoft since the early 90's and a split CAN add value but it isn't guaranteed.

Not sure Id buy either right now, or any more gold at this point, but thats a diff story.

If you own some berk good for you.

Sounds like you don't know how to move gold, but thats fair as most guys that dabble in it dont. If you open up an account and buy from a place like Monex they will buy back what you buy from them so in a limited way if it moves in your direction they will buy it back a published buy price, yeah they take a bit but so do brokerages, but its safe.

Paper gold, or any stock is highly manipulated and my genX background has a huge distrust of institutions and when there are events like a sell off stuff gets tight.

Little guys like you (or I) always get their trades squeezed off on a run down or even up) while the big boys can move - just like when facebook went IPO all the little guys were subject to nasdaqs 500M glitch (oops sorry go pound sand) while the big boys stocks traded just fine.

In a really bad scenario that will absolutely happen so one of the very things you can do is hold a little bit of metal, that said if you aren't it at this stage probably wouldn't bother.

I dont think a tiny bit of gold will anyone in an end of the world situation but if it's in your hand it cant vanish like magic from an account somewhere.

Lots of ways to make money.
 
There was a point in the Die Hard movie where he was chasing down the dump trucks full of the gold in a small car, yeah, I remember that. There was a gold bar in the back seat. Might have been a Mini, I don't know. ;)

I ran over part of a Mini once in my Crown Victoria. The guy was at the car wash in front of me and it tore off his rear bumper cover and the rollers pushed me over it and he was screaming about it, but everything was on camera at the car wash so I was fine.
Italian Job.
 
Did not hurt the price of gld/slv. My go to investments going forward. Beating inflation with bonds, CDs and Money Markets and GLD and SLV are m y plans going forward at the age of 78
 
Did not hurt the price of gld/slv. My go to investments going forward. Beating inflation with bonds, CDs and Money Markets and GLD and SLV are m y plans going forward at the age of 78
With SLV you are not buying actual stored silver like you are with PSLV. You are buying a product designed to match the price of silver. Among the silver bugs there is a big difference. I suspect GLD might be the same, but I can't be sure, never having read the prospectus.
With silver, physical is my first choice, PSLV my second. Based upon my reading, I wouldn't touch a derivative based product like SLV.
 
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