This is one mans opinion, Cobalt poisoning if near EV fire, good to know.

I worry about an EV delivery truck fire and what kind of toxic area that could create with the FD using 6000 or more gallons to put it out.
Will the trucks insurance cover that?
 
I worry about an EV delivery truck fire and what kind of toxic area that could create with the FD using 6000 or more gallons to put it out.
Will the trucks insurance cover that?
Isn't it always? Not that likely of a scenario though. Less to cause it to burn in the first place compared to an ICE vehicle, but we've got to keep the fear mongering and scare tactics up to make sure everyone knows EV=BAD! 🤣
 
They can't put out a battery fire. You can only keep it cool so it doesn't all go up all at once. Until the energy is dissipated that battery is going to burn.
 
Main cause of ICE vehicle fires are electrical in nature, or a blown engine spraying oil on hot exhaust.
Any gasoline leaks need either a spark or a flame to ignite it.
 
Main cause of ICE vehicle fires are electrical in nature, or a blown engine spraying oil on hot exhaust.
Any gasoline leaks need either a spark or a flame to ignite it.
And a battery also needs a fail point to have an ignition source. It also doesn’t contain flammable fluids. Neither spontaneously combust without a reason. What’s your point?
 
And a battery also needs a fail point to have an ignition source. It also doesn’t contain flammable fluids. Neither spontaneously combust without a reason. What’s your point?
Fail point is usually internally in the cell or at a a connection within the battery pack. I would say all the battery fires I saw at work, 95% were bad connections that overheated. When they explode that is usually internally.
 
Fail point is usually internally in the cell or at a a connection within the battery pack. I would say all the battery fires I saw at work, 95% were bad connections that overheated. When they explode that is usually internally.
Reminds me of Hyundai's start stop system fail point recall on their gasoline cars. It's a pretty small percentage of failures to live in fear of EVs used as a delivery vehicle, don't you think?
 
Reminds me of Hyundai's start stop system fail point recall on their gasoline cars. It's a pretty small percentage of failures to live in fear of EVs used as a delivery vehicle, don't you think?
LOL Due to my rural driving EVs are a while away, if ever for me. I have seen some big battery fires. Much like onboard Hydrogen.

I'm not afraid of them I just have no use for them at this time and pressured to use them only makes things worse. When they are comparable to ICE cars in price and performance without subsidies maybe. But I want control of my electrical production then too.
 
LOL Due to my rural driving EVs are a while away, if ever for me. I have seen some big battery fires. Much like onboard Hydrogen.

I'm not afraid of them I just have no use for them at this time and pressured to use them only makes things worse. When they are comparable to ICE cars in price and performance without subsidies maybe. But I want control of my electrical production then too.
It wasn't a reference to you, another poster mentioned EV delivery vehicles in particular.

I've seen gasoline vehicles go fully in flames multiple times. You'd always see a couple each year in the summer in a big city in the desert. If I didn't buy vehicles because I saw a couple of that kind burn, I'd be walking everywhere.
 
They are not for rural environments. Can't wait for the all electric tractors and combines.

The toxic mess left over from a battery fire has to be huge as well as he cost. And you don't put them out, you watch them burn down until the battery is depleted. I look for insurance companies to start crying foul. Just the water bill alone would be huge.
 
They are not for rural environments. Can't wait for the all electric tractors and combines.

The toxic mess left over from a battery fire has to be huge as well as he cost. And you don't put them out, you watch them burn down until the battery is depleted. I look for insurance companies to start crying foul. Just the water bill alone would be huge.
A regular EV car works everywhere. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm always surrounded by corn fields. EV isn't the answer for every type of vehicle. Concerning yourself with the 0.1% scenario is just a fear tactic to explain something you don't want. That's fine to not like something, it doesn't require you to be irrational to tell me you don't want one.
 
Isn't it always? Not that likely of a scenario though. Less to cause it to burn in the first place compared to an ICE vehicle, but we've got to keep the fear mongering and scare tactics up to make sure everyone knows EV=BAD! 🤣
Electrical fires are the most common even among ICE vehicles. EVs are just worse, especially as they age.

I believe you are correct however, EV truck fire less likely to happen during delivery.... it would happen during charging. Let's group a fleet of trucks together and charge simultaneously.....
 
They are not for rural environments. Can't wait for the all electric tractors and combines.

The toxic mess left over from a battery fire has to be huge as well as he cost. And you don't put them out, you watch them burn down until the battery is depleted. I look for insurance companies to start crying foul. Just the water bill alone would be huge.
I\d think an all electric combine or tractor would be an improvement if they can design one that will run all day... those are machines that spend most of their life sitting still and get heavy use during planting or picking season. You wouldn't have to worry about changing the oil, or diesel emissions problems or the other stuff..
 
Electrical fires are the most common even among ICE vehicles. EVs are just worse, especially as they age.

I believe you are correct however, EV truck fire less likely to happen during delivery.... it would happen during charging. Let's group a fleet of trucks together and charge simultaneously.....
A regular EV car works everywhere. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm always surrounded by corn fields. EV isn't the answer for every type of vehicle. Concerning yourself with the 0.1% scenario is just a fear tactic to explain something you don't want. That's fine to not like something, it doesn't require you to be irrational to tell me you don't want one.
👆 This still. BTW I looked it up and I was off in the figure. It was actually 0.3%. The figure for gasoline cars is 1.05%. Sure an EV if the battery is the source is more catastrophic, but it’s also less likely to happen.
 
I\d think an all electric combine or tractor would be an improvement if they can design one that will run all day... those are machines that spend most of their life sitting still and get heavy use during planting or picking season. You wouldn't have to worry about changing the oil, or diesel emissions problems or the other stuff..
It comes down to battery size. Depending on what they came up with and the size of the farm it may make sense to some farmers.
 
@Torrid
how is my post funny? Would you rather sleep over a garage with a fleet of diesel trucks parked for the night, or a fleet of electric trucks charging for the night?

Serious question.
 
Locally I know of 3 different fires which happened from people charging their LiION power tool batteries. Fire started with the battery on the charger, and 2 burned down the house/shop.
 
@Torrid
how is my post funny? Would you rather sleep over a garage with a fleet of diesel trucks parked for the night, or a fleet of electric trucks charging for the night?

Serious question.
Literally would not affect my decision whatsoever as long as the diesel trucks aren’t actively running. 😂 I’d prefer not to sleep in a garage anyway, but how would you expect me to answer this? My EV charges 50 ft from where I sleep.
 
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