Thinking about getting a financial advisor...

Fiduciary or not, every financial advisor's job is to make money off of you. This is done by reducing your profit.

It is common to see a 1.5% charge. On a 6% year, that's 25% of your profit. Which never gets to compound and earn.

Just a couple of the buildings your money builds:
That's true, but again, every professional is in the business of making money. I don't do brain surgery on myself nor do I paint my own cars. I don't have the knowledge or tools.
I believe you can be self directed to a point and that point varies for each of us.
 
I have some money in Vanguard. Almost all in their S&P 500 index fund. Super low fees. If you want they have financial advisors who will help for a small fee.

Unless you have a ton of money stick with a S&P Index Fund. Forget the financial advisor.

If you really want one, pay a FA an hourly fee to tell you what to do then do the investment changes yourself.
 
Reviving this bit older thread after reading it and a couple others.

Any recommended places/websites etc. to find a hopefully decent, reputable financial advisor?

I know Schwab and Fidelity have offices local. My local Credit Union I think lists services. Many articles that I read have Smart Asset, Fischer Investments I hear often, Forbes has links.

I need to find one to get my own future in order some but I think I’m better setup than many thanks to Dad’s advice.

I used to listen to Ric Edelman on the radio driving home and I know he has Edelman financial engines website and advisors.

Current scenario looking for help-
I have an employee that I want to give a decent recommendation on where to look and get some better guidance. She’s in her early 30’s and not good with finances/life planning. She didn’t have a lot of help or guidance in much growing up. I think still in probate but she is sole heir from what she says. Through family stuff she just inherited a fully paid off house worth 1.9 million in a different state (CT), a couple of fully paid cars and some other stuff. She is also expecting and due in about 2 months, not married, rents an apartment, fully paycheck to paycheck, no emergency funds.

She came to me as she has no clue where to start. I’m one of very few people that has ever been straight, honest and looking to help for her own future. I did help her with some 401K recommendations a couple years ago and she thanks me all the time for that.

I would trust this group of friends/acquaintances for advice more than many places.

I gave her the number for my tax accountant to get some information and said she needs to get probably an estate lawyer, even if it’s the one handling the will currently. She definitely needs guidance in person to possibly make it last for future. I think local Schwab office might be a good place for her to start based on the discussions here. She needs (I probably do also) a sit down with someone like Dave Ramsey, Ric Edelman to give her straight info.

I believe she would currently have a hard time even paying for advisor services.
 
Above to @Sequoiasoon:

That's a lot right there. You DIY. Easy.

Her, she doesn't need any more people taking her money. Pregnant and dude ran off? or husband died? I'm not going to comment more on that, unknown. BUT needs settling and turned to cash.

1) Save money and make a real budget. Sure she can find help with this, but SHE needs to do it. Budget everything. Save at least 10%. Start NOW.

2) She really doesn't need to hire anybody, IMHO. If she gets money or sells house, she needs to learn to not spend it. No one will help there frankly. Put the cash in MM at first, then ask for FREE Fidelity guidance.

3) Are you on board as a guidance or are you trying to offload, as your employee - precarious. You definitely want her to succeed but tough to have a heart to heart talk, which she REALLY needs. As in "If you don't get you sh#$ together you could blow this and be way worse off". She has a great opportunity, extremely rare opportunity - use, don't squander moment.

3A) I will pray for her.
 
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Vanguard ETF;s are the way to go.
BND- Bonds
BNDX-International Bonds
VTI-Domestic Stocks
VXUS-Global jStocks
EDV- U.S. Treasuries
Expense rations less than .1%

In additional I have these and some others
USO US Oil
GLD Gold
SLV Silver
VAW Materials
XLE Energy

Put the savbings in your pocket
 
Current scenario looking for help-
I have an employee that I want to give a decent recommendation on where to look and get some better guidance. She’s in her early 30’s and not good with finances/life planning. She didn’t have a lot of help or guidance in much growing up. I think still in probate but she is sole heir from what she says. Through family stuff she just inherited a fully paid off house worth 1.9 million in a different state (CT), a couple of fully paid cars and some other stuff. She is also expecting and due in about 2 months, not married, rents an apartment, fully paycheck to paycheck, no emergency funds.

She came to me as she has no clue where to start. I’m one of very few people that has ever been straight, honest and looking to help for her own future. I did help her with some 401K recommendations a couple years ago and she thanks me all the time for that.
I stumbled across the Money Guy show on youtube. Watching podcasts may take longer to absorb information than reading, but, not everyone learns the same way. Sometimes reading articles and then watching some podcasts may help reinforce ideas. Anyhow, I like their show and advice, they have plenty for beginners to learn from I think--tossing them onto the bogleheads forum might be a bit much.
 
About the fees, sometimes we accept them. But what is it that comes with the $10-$50k per year cost? Especially when Jack Bogle said 3/4 money managers can’t beat the market, why pay them to try?

When you’re a big cheese and Goldman Sachs is calling, then why not. But for the rest of us…. 🙂
 
About the fees, sometimes we accept them. But what is it that comes with the $10-$50k per year cost? Especially when Jack Bogle said 3/4 money managers can’t beat the market, why pay them to try?

When you’re a big cheese and Goldman Sachs is calling, then why not. But for the rest of us…. 🙂
I want to say, 1.5% is what gets charged to the smaller accounts--as your account grows, the percentage drops? I would hope that an advisor is not making 1% AUM on a $1M+ portfolio--if so, I guess, "it's a good gig if you can get it".

Small portfolios for people at the start of life, I tend to think FA's are not required. My opinion only! I'm sure there are those who would say a FA was of great help. They may well have been, but IMO if one wants to read and learn, they can handle the easy half of the financial journey. It's the second half where it gets hard and complex, and an advisor is likely of a great help. The first half is all about budgeting, saving, and not touching the money, while it sits in a target index fund or some other growth fund. [The first 10 years or so, almost doesn't matter what you buy, at the end of the decade, it's likely 90% your money and not earned interest. After the first decade, ok, holdings matter.]

Maybe not to the savvy investor, but some savvy investors will get an advisor anyhow, for when they pass away but their spouse now needs the help.
 
I want to say, 1.5% is what gets charged to the smaller accounts--as your account grows, the percentage drops? I would hope that an advisor is not making 1% AUM on a $1M+ portfolio--if so, I guess, "it's a good gig if you can get it".

Small portfolios for people at the start of life, I tend to think FA's are not required. My opinion only! I'm sure there are those who would say a FA was of great help. They may well have been, but IMO if one wants to read and learn, they can handle the easy half of the financial journey. It's the second half where it gets hard and complex, and an advisor is likely of a great help. The first half is all about budgeting, saving, and not touching the money, while it sits in a target index fund or some other growth fund. [The first 10 years or so, almost doesn't matter what you buy, at the end of the decade, it's likely 90% your money and not earned interest. After the first decade, ok, holdings matter.]

Maybe not to the savvy investor, but some savvy investors will get an advisor anyhow, for when they pass away but their spouse now needs the help.
A very good friend of mine is a financial advisor.

His fee is one percent. It does not vary with portfolio size.

So, a client $50,000 portfolio is paying $500 a year for the same advice for which a client with a $3 million portfolio pays $30,000 a year.

It’s taken my friend 25 years to build a client base, to where it is “a good gig if you can get it”.

So, yeah, he makes a lot of money, but that is after 25 years of being in the business working 60 hours a week, busting his backside to get where he is now.

In that sense, complaining about how much he makes is a lot like complaining about how much neurosurgeon makes. 25 years of practice and expertise to get where he is .

You should be willing to pay for expert advice, whether that be legal, medical, mechanical, or financial.

Not everyone is able to DIY successfully in every area.

Many of my friend’s clients are former fighter pilots, one of them is a four star admiral. The admiral has a lot bigger things to worry about, particularly since he is the Commander of the Pacific Fleet.

The admiral pays for good advice, and delegates that aspect of his life, which allows him focus on other matters.

If you don’t think you need a financial advisor, then show me your multimillion dollar portfolio.

Show me the success of your DIY effort.
 
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Vanguard ETF;s are the way to go.
BND- Bonds
BNDX-International Bonds
VTI-Domestic Stocks
VXUS-Global jStocks
EDV- U.S. Treasuries
Expense rations less than .1%

In additional I have these and some others
USO US Oil
GLD Gold
SLV Silver
VAW Materials
XLE Energy

Put the savbings in your pocket

Good idea and choices.

I have a Vanguard account and opened Roth IRAs for my 4 children when they turned 18.
I funded the max contribution the first year to get the ball rolling, now they have it set up to make automatic contributions on pay day.
 
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If you don’t think you need a financial advisor, then show me your multimillion dollar portfolio.

Show me the success of your DIY effort.
About 11 years ago I realized I was an idiot and I should amend my ways; I was around 1.4x my salary in retirement at age 36 and not much more than that in net value.

I ramped from a 3% retirement savings rate (plus 3% match) to my current 20-ish % savings rate (depends on if bonuses count--on base salary alone it's about 28% with corporate matching). I cannot figure out Fidelity's cost basis bit, probably because several years ago my account was with Schwab, so I have no idea what the real growth was. But after 11.5 years of effort, ramping my savings rate each year, I'm at 4.8x base salary in retirement (matches being aged 48) (and means I almost have 5x what I started with from 11 years ago) and crossed the fabled million dollar net worth (but let's be clear, too much of that is the recent run-up in housing values). In about 5 years I should be hitting $1M in retirement savings and at that point, finding an FA might be wise, to deal with future RMD concerns and doing rollovers to mitigate that problem. And for advice for when I should rebalance into something like 70/30 stocks/bonds, or 60/40, or if I want to use a bucket approach.

For now, it's all (mostly) low cost expense ratio S&P 500 funds. It's risky in its own way (>90% stocks) but at the same time, it's diversified (FBGRX, FSPGX, JLGMX, VSGIX with FPIPX tossed in). If I am to make up for lost time (which I can't) I have to leave it in aggressive growth well into my 50's. Plus with retirement being 20 years off... no reason to not be aggressive.
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Unfortunately I doubt that I'll cross the $4M I would like to have for retirement; in the end, I have to live with the consequences of my mistakes. Still. Aiming for about 15x my salary at retirement (15 times my salary when I get to the end, 20 years from now, not 15x what I make today). If I only get $3M maybe that won't be so bad, it should be still past the old 10x recommendation that I think is now outdated.

I was not smart in my 20's and I doubt that I ever had a positive net worth until my 30's. Just cared that I could make it week to week--not that I was ever hurting, just that, I didn't have a care for the future.

Paying 1% AUM per year, I'm dubious if that would have helped the cause. If anything I'd be worried that an FA would try to convince me to save less. Right now I can't afford to replace a missing car (have 5 months emergency savings but nothing outside it); we avoid eating out and don't take vacations. My spare money goes to paying for college for my son. With a daughter going to college next year, all the more money worries for the next 4 or 5 years. Then I get to worry about paying off my house... it never ends.

Something that makes me sad is that my base salary, inflation adjusted, is only 7% higher than 11 years ago. I need to get off my duff and figure out a higher income (but that means changing jobs, longer commute, who knows what). But. Point of that is, I did not double my income during that time. I did not need an FA to tell me to "spend less, save more". I just needed to read basic advice and to execute on it. And that's my point. The first 10 years or so is basically no growth from interest, it's all the money one puts in. Real growth doesn't start until the second decade--and if you think an advisor is needed at that time, that's fine, I can see the argument. But until then, there's a wealth of knowledge free for the taking.
 
About the fees, sometimes we accept them. But what is it that comes with the $10-$50k per year cost? Especially when Jack Bogle said 3/4 money managers can’t beat the market, why pay them to try?

When you’re a big cheese and Goldman Sachs is calling, then why not. But for the rest of us…. 🙂

I look at fees like a toll plaza when I’m driving on the Turnpike….. they are necessary and you want to pay the least amount.

My 401K has crazy low fees. Fidelity and Vanguard also has ETFs and mutual funds with very low fees. (y)
 
I just recently open up a regular IRA account at Schwab and moved my 401k from work there. I still have my work 401k and will continue to contribute as to get the match. That being said, I don't believe (and hope not), Schwab charges any account "management" fees. I think I'm just paying for the services and products I choose. Not for any recommendations. But I'm glad I saw this post as I'll be sure to ask.

Like others here money market funds, CD's and EFT's are about all I will invest in. Don't really need an advisor for that.
 
I just recently open up a regular IRA account at Schwab and moved my 401k from work there. I still have my work 401k and will continue to contribute as to get the match. That being said, I don't believe (and hope not), Schwab charges any account "management" fees. I think I'm just paying for the services and products I choose. Not for any recommendations. But I'm glad I saw this post as I'll be sure to ask.

Like others here money market funds, CD's and EFT's are about all I will invest in. Don't really need an advisor for that.
I think you failed to see the value of an advisor, because you have already done your asset allocation. You set boundaries on what you “will invest in“

But you’ve done your asset allocation without professional advice.

No, you don’t need a financial advisor to tell you to spend less, or save more.

But, there are many things, such as asset allocation, or investment vehicle, beyond how much you save.
 
I think you failed to see the value of an advisor, because you have already done your asset allocation. You set boundaries on what you “will invest in“

But you’ve done your asset allocation without professional advice.

No, you don’t need a financial advisor to tell you to spend less, or save more.

But, there are many things, such as asset allocation, or investment vehicle, beyond how much you save.
Actually, I've just started a dialog with my Schwab financial consultant. So I am open to any and all suggestions and/or recommendations he may provide. He may very well provide me with education that I may act on. But I do want to make sure I completely understand any fees. Right now I am under the understanding I don't have a "managed" portfolio
 
About 11 years ago I realized I was an idiot and I should amend my ways; I was around 1.4x my salary in retirement at age 36 and not much more than that in net value.


Unfortunately I doubt that I'll cross the $4M I would like to have for retirement; in the end, I have to live with the consequences of my mistakes. Still. Aiming for about 15x my salary at retirement (15 times my salary when I get to the end, 20 years from now, not 15x what I make today). If I only get $3M maybe that won't be so bad, it should be still past the old 10x recommendation that I think is now outdated.

I was not smart in my 20's and I doubt that I ever had a positive net worth until my 30's. Just cared that I could make it week to week--not that I was ever hurting, just that, I didn't have a care for the future.
Well I think you are waaaaay better off that 90+% of folks. I was way too conservative back in the day. "But" when I retired at the age of 55 I had maybe 900K. Even though I only get (with everything) around 45K per year. I am doing well. As a practical matter I can do whatever I want. I now have 1.1 Mil and a house that is worth say 250K. I don't need to worry about kids. They are doing well.

And this is not advice: Far from me to give advice. But If I were in your shoes, ...I would have 40% stock market and get goverment bonds (I Bonds specifically). Thats just me. I bought 180K in early 2000's and a 10K bond is now 25K
 
Well I think you are waaaaay better off that 90+% of folks.
Some days I don't feel that way. Sure, I can read the news articles about how bad average and median numbers are--but it's not really much to pat oneself on their back to be above average. I'm not sure how much of the ongoing "retirement crisis!" reporting is just scaremongering, but it's easy (for me) to get depressed by retirement saving.

I worry about being this far into stocks, but, I figure, unless if the gov takes over healthcare I don't have a choice, as I don't see how I'd pay for health insurance out of pocket. Still a long ways out, but the wife is younger and a SAHM and so her SS history has lots of zeros in it. I need to hit 58.5 in order to have 35 years in, 59.5 to access retirement funds--so working until 60 is a given. Plus my plan doesn't have the house paid off until then anyhow. Just the way it is. Around 55 or so I'll think about reallocating into bonds, something to mitigate risk, until then it's all about growth.
 
Finacial Advisor and Wealth Manager are two different things.

She could benefit from a Financial Advisor.
They can help people get their act together and learn how to handle their finances.
If this is person is an employee, you will be better off letting someone else help her.

As far as you go, handle it yourself.... it is all about growth...but don't mess yourself up 5 yrs before you retire.
Those should be your very best years.
If you like your number with 6 months to go... then you can move to a stable value fund.
Almost anything that happens can be cured by working another year.

Wealth Managers are not concerned about beating the market.
Protecting the money and earning dividends is where they thrive.
If you feel like you still need big growth after you retire, it's possible you retired to early.

As far as I know, the fee should go down as the balance goes up.
A fee of 1% is high enough.... look elsewhere if they want more.
One Wealth Manager isn't likely to outperform another by enough to make a difference all things considered.

I'm invested as a moderate (60-65% equity, the rest in bonds).
I pay less than 1% as a fee.
They direct deposit money in my checking account first of the month, pay my income tax and send me a 1099 every Jan.

I am with Merril Lynch.
They have lots of oversite.
 
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