I see bad engines, maybe bad matenence, but never a bad motor oil..not one, not even a weak one.
They're all good!
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After following this site for several months now I agree. All the oils are good and much improved over the years. It seem to be a matter of what oil is a little bit better and what oil is a little bit better in cetain applications.
How about dino vs. synth. for turbocharged engine, such as a VAG 1.8T?
Here is the SL GF-3 Mobil Drive Clean in action under some pretty tough conditions being the 2nd oil change and driven in hi-heat .
This is an oil that gets knocked around by many that never even used it .
Car: 2003 Infiniti FX35
Engine: Nissan VQ35DE
Oil: Mobil Drive Clean 10W-30
Oil Filter: OEM Nissan
Oil Capacity: 5 Quarts
Air Filter: OEM Nissan
Total Miles on Engine: 7233 Miles
Total Miles on Oil: 3659 Miles
Make up Oil: None
Sample Date: December 17, 2003
Lab: Blackstone
Aluminum: 3
Chromium: 1
Iron: 12
Copper: 30
Lead: 3
Tin: 1
Molybdenum: 12
Nickel: 1
Manganese: 2
Silver: 0
Titanium: 0
Potassium: 0
Boron: 0
Silicon: 19
Sodium: 6
Calcium: 1981
Magnesium: 6
Phosphorus: 759
Zinc: 948
Barium: 1
SUS: 58.1
Flashpoint: 400
Fuel: Antifreeze: 0
Water: 0
Insolubles: 0.3
This is an oil that gets knocked around by many that never even used it .
Car: 2003 Infiniti FX35
Engine: Nissan VQ35DE
Oil: Mobil Drive Clean 10W-30
Oil Filter: OEM Nissan
Oil Capacity: 5 Quarts
Air Filter: OEM Nissan
Total Miles on Engine: 7233 Miles
Total Miles on Oil: 3659 Miles
Make up Oil: None
Sample Date: December 17, 2003
Lab: Blackstone
Aluminum: 3
Chromium: 1
Iron: 12
Copper: 30
Lead: 3
Tin: 1
Molybdenum: 12
Nickel: 1
Manganese: 2
Silver: 0
Titanium: 0
Potassium: 0
Boron: 0
Silicon: 19
Sodium: 6
Calcium: 1981
Magnesium: 6
Phosphorus: 759
Zinc: 948
Barium: 1
SUS: 58.1
Flashpoint: 400
Fuel: Antifreeze: 0
Water: 0
Insolubles: 0.3
You have to admit, "Drive Clean" is wimpy sounding name. It just isn't a good name for an engine oil.
An oil name needs to sound tough or technical or both.
It sounds like an oil someone with flower decals on their car would use....That is, if they cared about oil.
I'm not saying the oil isn't a good oil, being Mobil I expect it is a good oil. The name sux though and if you are selling a product, that matters.
[ November 18, 2004, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: XS650 ]
I think you'd have to define your terms more precisely in order to arrive at any sort of conclusion from a statement like that.
For example, an engine that is tough on oil coupled to an overly optimistic maintenance schedule asked to perform in an hostile environment by a general public that depends on marketing glitz to educate them about the workings of an internal combustion engine may produce a sludge monster.
Which one of the above do we blame for an engine failure given the above scenario?
I would expect that, every mother thinks her baby is beautifulquote:
Originally posted by Ugly3:
I am guessing the marketing "experts" at Mobil might disagree with you.
I used that stuff in my 77 Vega! To this day,that is one of the best cars that I have ever owned. Take car of your car and it will take care of you. When I moved From WA to ND I could no longer find the arco oil.quote:
Originally posted by Ugly3:
I used ARCO Graphite for years in a `79 Camero and a `74 Vega. Great stuff!
Advance Notification of Upcoming Mobil Ad Campaign:
"Try new Mobil KICK-A$$ GF-4 Macho Motor Oil now available at retailers near you... This new Group ?-based oil is so slippery and cleans so well the exhaust fumes from an idling engine across the street will even clear your cat's hairballs."
"Try new Mobil KICK-A$$ GF-4 Macho Motor Oil now available at retailers near you... This new Group ?-based oil is so slippery and cleans so well the exhaust fumes from an idling engine across the street will even clear your cat's hairballs."
I worked at a Arco gas station when this was introduced around 1977. It did not sell well we sold it for $4.00 a qt, that would probably be over $12.00 in todays dollars. This stuff was taken off the market after around 3 years. The inventory was probably around a few years after it was discontinued, such a slow seller.
Production stopped due to a problem they couldn't solve. How to keep the solids graphite chips in suspension.
Hydrocarbon (oil) and most synthetic base stocks are all LIGHTER than water, as in a specific gravity of less than 1.0 that is why they float on the top of water. Graphite has a specific gravity of greater than 1.0. With our normal gravity it will find it's way to the bottom of the container and stay there! This made for some really cool tough sludges in engines that caused over heating and restricted flows. You have to have gel strength in a fluid to suspend any higher specific gravity solids within it, when the movement or flow is stopped. This is why know one ever used graphite chips in a motor oil again.
I loved it. That ARCO stuff was wonderfully black right out of the bottle (or was it a can back then?). True: they gave you a sticker to put on the dipstick so your mechanic didn't change it right away, seeing how black it was!!
Just as long as it doesn't smell like gummie bears!
Thanks for the Arco Graphite update. I figured there was some technical reason it disappeared. There are two cans of it for sale on eBay as I write this if you want take a look to remember what the cans looked like anyway.. looks like those are the cardboard cans in the picture.
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