Then what is VWB good for?

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I spent the week dealing with a Honda dealer and Valvoline Instant Oil Change. This is somewhat of a rant, so if you are not into that sort of thing, you may wish to tune out. Consider yourself warned.
A week ago Saturday, I received a notice from Honda that the Accord was being recalled for the airbag inflator. Great, this is the third vehicle out of the four in my signature that I have had to deal with in regard to airbags. I scheduled an appointment for Wednesday and took it in.
This dealer has serviced the car since it was new. Because of an advantageous location, they did all the service on the vehicle prior (and even after I retired) maintenance, brakes OC's etc. Pricing, even though it may have been slightly higher, was reasonable and they always did top notch work. I had been happy until this visit. They did the recall and then called me out to tell me that the ATF, and PS fluid were "Dirty" (Both had 5K on them), the battery was bad, the brake fluid was "Dirty" (this was the only thing that may be accurate, even though it was pronounced "Clean" 5K prior) and the driver side rear TPMS is leaking and will need to be rebuilt , to the tune of $70. The TPMS light went on that morning after a rapid change in temperature and the light came on that morning, and the car has done that exact same thing since I bought it new. He filled it full of air and it has been fine since. In addition, he declared the six month old NAPA wiper blades bad because he said that they were "Streaking." Funny, because I drove the car 20 miles in the rain to get to the appointment and they were streak free the whole way there.
On the way home, I stopped at AAP and had the battery (a 4yr. old AAP Gold ) tested and it passed with flying colors. It was so "Weak" that it started the car in one second.
After this event, which I can only refer to as an attempted "Wallet Flush", I have located a highly rated Honda/Acura specialist, who will be servicing the vehicle from now on. When I found out that the dealer's OC's went from $24.95 to $40,( I was going to have one done because of convenience) I should have sensed that things went south there.
Now about the VIOC. The Ranger was due for an OC. All my OC tools were in the rear shed, everything was packed away for winter, and it was cold and wet. So I decided that when I found a $19.99 coupon for an OC with VWB (which I have found to be a perfectly serviceable lubricant) I would save myself the trouble and turmoil of doing it myself. So I drove in, handed her the coupon, sat in the truck, and they went about their business. I was even impressed that they did not try to sell me an A/F, the tech even said that it was good for 2 or 3 more O/C's and showed me how to check the filters (even though I have done so many times.) Glad that I had the coupon, because that was $23. off of their $42.99 price for a O/C using VWB (wow!)
Since I did not upgrade to "High Mileage" or full (or even semi) synthetic, nor was it mentioned, I figured there had to some sort of verbal or written crack made along the way. I found it on the invoice in the form of "Customer opted out of manufacturer recommended oil for their vehicle."
If VWB is so "Inferior" that it should not be run in even a 15 yr old Ford 3.0, then why produce it? (I ask this rhetorically, BTW.)
Rant over.
 
Well-VIOC is full of it (as usual), because VWB 5W20 & 5W30 have been a SYNTHETIC BLEND since at least Feb. 2017-
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For some (OK, extra $) reason, VIOC feels they have to put MaxLife in EVERY vehicle with over 75K miles or bearing a synblend recommendation-to the extent that I personally won't use them anymore. They're about as bad as any "stealership", unfortunately, and their customer service DOES NOT CARE!
 
The sad thing is, I've actually had very good luck with Valvoline products, but I install them MYSELF, their thieving hack employees don't get to do it anymore.
 
Originally Posted by Tdbo
I figured there had to some sort of verbal or written crack made along the way. I found it on the invoice in the form of "Customer opted out of manufacturer recommended oil for their vehicle."


It's probably on every invoice they print.

It lets them use "bulk tank oil" when you bring in the coupon - by default.

"I found a $19.99 coupon for an OC with VWB" means "bulk tank oil only".
It was probably one number off from the grade your oil cap says...

i.e., 5W-20 on the oil cap and 5W-30 put in... or something like that.
 
Nothing at all wrong with VWB. I've used it plenty of times, some even in my Fusion. Also ran it in my previous daily driver - a 2003 Mercury Sable LS that I sold with 189,000 on the dial, and still ran great.
 
You got the oil changed for a coupon on a 15 yr old Ford. Whether 5w30 or 5w20 it will be great and all you did was sit in the truck. Why rant? Its probably the latest tweak on the program the techs follow. It came from mgt and doesn't need to be sensible. Valvoline bulk still "meets or exceeds"
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Originally Posted by andyd
You got the oil changed for a coupon on a 15 yr old Ford. Whether 5w30 or 5w20 it will be great and all you did was sit in the truck. Why rant?


Because I can. I feel much better now.
 
VIOC bulk tank oil IS VWB, it just comes in the handy, driveable 2000 gallon container! I wouldn't sweat it, I actually talked them into 5W20 VWB in my '15 Transit 250 for 3 or 4 5K OCIs-I guarantee I was harder on it than you will be on your Ranger!
 
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
VIOC bulk tank oil IS VWB, it just comes in the handy, driveable 2000 gallon container! I wouldn't sweat it, I actually talked them into 5W20 VWB in my '15 Transit 250 for 3 or 4 5K OCIs-I guarantee I was harder on it than you will be on your Ranger!


I'm not worried about it. I've used VWB for years without issue.
I've never seen a bottle of oil anytime that I've been there.
I assumed their business plan was bulk oil at 2x the price of the bottle.
The comment is what I took issue with.
Even if, for example, I made them put a 10W40 in it; the issue would not be with the specification of the oil, it would be with the grade of the oil.
I like accuracy.
 
Originally Posted by Tdbo

I like accuracy.


Accuracy?

Then you should ~probably~ stop going to quick oil change shops
 
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Tdbo

I like accuracy.


Accuracy?

Then you should ~probably~ stop going to quick oil change shops


Sometimes, excrement occurs.
 
The VIOC around the corner from me charges $45 for an oil change- if you supply your own materials...

They lost any sort of business from me going forward that day (not that they care, but I care and that's all I care about
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I'd be more worried that the coupon cost me a stripped drain plug by those idiots.

FWIW, my family has owned Hondas for over 20 years. We've been to pretty much every Honda dealer in the state, and they have all been terrible. Terrible customer service, terrible attitude, terrible quality of work, zero integrity.
 
I'm assuming the Ranger has over 75k miles. I'd say that's probably why they put that on the invoice. Valvoline probably recommends Maxlife for all engines over 75k miles. "Manufacturer recommended" probably means the manufacturer of the oil (Valvoline), not the manufacturer of the vehicle (Ford).
 
Originally Posted by Tdbo
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Tdbo

I like accuracy.


Accuracy?

Then you should ~probably~ stop going to quick oil change shops


Sometimes, excrement occurs.





As long as I can change my own oil, that's what I will do. Yes stuff happens. But the one hour spent assures me that it was done right, and you know what is in the sump. On top of that there are no upsell tactics and no comments from people who might be a bit inebriated as they torque down your drain plug to oblivion.
 
LOL!!

I have been changing my own oil since before I was old enough to drink, but I never let that stop me. And I am quite certain it has been at least 15 years since I was NOT slightly inebriated while torquing down my oil drain plug...

Heck, most times calling me "slightly inebriated" by the time I was finishing up would be a bald faced lie!

Hahaha!!
 
Seriously not changing your oil yourself, granted you're not a complete idiot, is risky these days. You're trusting some hormore-governed kid with alchohol and girls on his mind to take care of your vehicle (and your life sort of) at minimum wage.
 
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