The Size Of Touchscreens Is Getting Ridiculous!

[NitroM3]

Below although the purpose is for Motorcycles it applies to most anything you are driving. Without touch screens, cell phones and other on board newly created driver distractions most people are oblivious to much of those things in the picture while they are driving. And as speed increases the reaction time for most diminishes. So my guess is at some point there will likely be Federal guidelines to what a manufacture can do reducing driver distractions. We have already seen many come into production the common and forgotten ones are reverse camera deactivation when out or reverse gear, no mapping adjusts while vehicle is moving...etc.
There also is a reaction time factor from the moment we see a possible threat to maneuvering to avoid it. So people that are older if they are distracted by driver amenities like touch screens, cell phone activities are increasing likely to get in to more accidents over younger experienced drivers.

 

[PimTac]

Amen skip, I have driven all over the world, Real suggestion, Drinking age 18 driving age 50 you really do not need a car, public transportation !!

What??

 

[ARCOgraphite]

This sums it all up perfectly.

NO.

If the HVAC is on there you MUST to look at it to make adjustments, and on the Subaru its at the bottom.

Just as digital clocks have numbers, which are not analogous to the passage of time like a sundial or hands on a clock
they require extra brain function to cognitively assess.

 

[4WD]

NO.

If the HVAC is on there you MUST to look at it to make adjustments, and on the Subaru its at the bottom.

Just as digital clocks have numbers, which are not analogous to the passage of time like a sundial or hands on a clock
they require extra brain function to cognitively assess.

This is my Jeep dash … nice big grippy knobs or buttons … I tend to only need the screen somewhat for navigation and normally tell the lady behind the dash that I’m looking for a POI …

Note screen off button as well

 

[PimTac]

I think that the bigger the screen the better but how it’s placed is definitely a issue. I wouldn’t like the large screen mounted high on the instrument panel either. That makes it look like a afterthought.

The thinking that trying to change HVAC settings or whatever while you are driving has a very simple solution. Wait until you are stopped then change them.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

Stop trying to compare aircraft to cars. That's a ridiculous analogy and you know it. Aircraft are kept thousands of feet apart. They don't drive in bumper to bumper traffic. They don't fly through school zones, bus stops, and railroad crossings. They don't have dogs, kids, and bicycles darting out in front of them. They don't have stop signs and intersections every 2 blocks, that force them to come to a complete stop within inches of each other. And they have a complete network of controllers monitoring their every move, both on the ground, and in the air. All of which will immediately inform them if they make a wrong one.

And if that isn't enough, there are more than 5 MILLION accidents driving, compared to only 20 flying. And as more and more toys are introduced into cars, to keep their drivers more and more distracted, that number will no doubt increase.

https://www.google.com/search?q=acc...me..69i57.20926j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I think you’re being quite myopic. I’m confused as to why you’re just making things up. My comparison is quite valid. Aircraft do have to handle on ground, they’re very poorly designed for this so it’s actually an environment that requires more attention and situational awareness than driving down a road.

There are plenty of single pilot GA and corporate aircraft that operate at untowered and uncontrolled fields that have to be able to ground handle around a variety of other ground equipment by themselves. There are plenty of glass cockpit and touch screen heavy cockpits that are certified for solo IFR newer Citation and PC-12 comes to mind. There are plenty of glass cockpit aircraft that fly in a VFR environment without flight following which is see and avoid with very significant flight speed differential, picking another aircraft out in the sky is much harder than seeing things on the road.

 

[billt460]

.......There are plenty of glass cockpit and touch screen heavy cockpits that are certified for solo IFR newer Citation and PC-12 comes to mind.......

And ALL of the people operating them are far better trained than the distracted idiots you see driving down the road, looking at everything except where they're going. Again, it's ridiculous to try to compare an IFR, turbine rated pilot, to some clown driving who doesn't pay attention. 4 out of 10 motor vehicle accidents are caused by distracted drivers. What is that ratio for aircraft accidents? It's not even close. It is just plain foolish to compare the two.

And I'm not, "making things up". Look at the data. Aircraft have far fewer accidents per mile than automobiles. A big reason for that, is because the people operating them are far better trained. Any idiot can get a drivers license. Look at a lot of these senior citizens. They have absolutely no business behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle. But they're licensed. Do you honestly think they could pass a medical to fly a single pilot jet in IFR conditions? Now, put them into a vehicle with a bunch of electronic play toys, and it's not an accident waiting to happen. It's an accident that happens all too frequently.... Day in and day out.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

And ALL of the people operating them are far better trained than the distracted idiots you see driving down the road, looking at everything except where they're going. Again, it's ridiculous to try to compare an IFR, turbine rated pilot, to some clown driving who doesn't pay attention. 4 out of 10 motor vehicle accidents are caused by distracted drivers. What is that ratio for aircraft accidents? It's not even close. It is just plain foolish to compare the two.

And I'm not, "making things up". Look at the data. Aircraft have far fewer accidents per mile than automobiles. A big reason for that, is because the people operating them are far better trained. Any idiot can get a drivers license. Look at a lot of these senior citizens. They have absolutely no business behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle. But they're licensed. Do you honestly think they could pass a medical to fly a single pilot jet in IFR conditions? Now, put them into a vehicle with a bunch of electronic play toys, and it's not an accident waiting to happen. It's an accident that happens all too frequently.... Day in and day out.

You said and continue to say things that are inaccurate, all aircraft with glass cockpits are highly controlled by ATC, not true, implication that there are multiple people flying aircraft at all times not true, now you’re implying that every glass cockpit aircraft is flown only in IFR conditions by a highly skilled IFR rated pilot which is also not true (in fact many flight schools have students on glass cockpit GA aircraft). Also there were 1220 accidents in 2019 accounting for GA, not 20 (https://www.bts.gov/content/us-general-aviationa-safety-data) which is significantly less than all data before despite the increase in glass cockpits.
If aviation is safe despite all of these screens, and increased workload because the people are better trained than maybe your ire should be directed at training, law enforcement and licensing processes and less at something like a screen in the center console.

As I’ve said aviation is a far more challenging environment and the screens haven’t lead to a massive rise in distraction related safety incidents because screens aren’t the problem. Drivers will find other ways to get distracted, phones, adjusting radio stations, eating, checking hair in mirror etc. same arguments were made about cruise control, ABS, traction control, air conditioning and are just as silly viewed through the prism of history.

 

[vavavroom]

You know you don't have to look at the screen?

Bugs don't have to fly into the heavenly blue glow of afterlife either.

 

[4WD]

The car audio aficionados will find the new OEM trend of big screens hard, if not impossible to replace and upgrade the audio system. Surprisingly enough, the new “tablet” HMI infotainment on newer Toyota and Honda use a 1DIN head unit behind them - and the aftermarket(Metra, iDatalink, and PAC for interfacing with Pioneer, Alpine and Kenwood making “modular” decks now) has actually made stuff to fit the new Toyota New Global Architecture cars and some Hondas. Kenwood’s got a 10” “floating” display out as well.

But the aftermarket is struggling to work around some of the integration - Honda uses ANC, and new GM/Ford/Mopar use data/digital audio instead of analog signals between the head unit and amps. Mercedes, BMW and more recently Hyundai was using SPDIF or TOSLINK digital audio between the head unit and amp. For now, the aftermarket is using vehicle interfaces and DSPs to separate/sum/normalize the output from many factory sound systems, especially “premium” branded systems to feed an aftermarket amp if someone wants to gut the factory speakers for any reason.

There can be dead space or components already behind them. Our Tahoe has a hidden compartment behind the screen and I’m 100% sure they meant for the owner to put a S&W snub nose in there

 

[dareo]

Big Grills, Big Screens, Big markups. Pay it or get out. I don't want cash, i want you to take this marked up finance contract without asking too many questions.

I love cars but i hate the current state of the market.

 

[billt460]

You said and continue to say things that are inaccurate, all aircraft with glass cockpits are highly controlled by ATC, not true, implication that there are multiple people flying aircraft at all times not true, now you’re implying that every glass cockpit aircraft is flown only in IFR conditions by a highly skilled IFR rated pilot which is also not true (in fact many flight schools have students on glass cockpit GA aircraft). Also there were 1220 accidents in 2019 accounting for GA, not 20 (https://www.bts.gov/content/us-general-aviationa-safety-data) which is significantly less than all data before despite the increase in glass cockpits.
If aviation is safe despite all of these screens, and increased workload because the people are better trained than maybe your ire should be directed at training, law enforcement and licensing processes and less at something like a screen in the center console.

As I’ve said aviation is a far more challenging environment and the screens haven’t lead to a massive rise in distraction related safety incidents because screens aren’t the problem. Drivers will find other ways to get distracted, phones, adjusting radio stations, eating, checking hair in mirror etc. same arguments were made about cruise control, ABS, traction control, air conditioning and are just as silly viewed through the prism of history.

Aircraft have always had far more instruments to be monitored than cars. All the screens did is consolidate what was already there. Instead of 15 holes in the instrument panel, with a little gauge in each, they stuck it all on one or 2 big CRT screens. If anything they made it easier.

It's the opposite with cars. Cars today have tons of crap that didn't exist 20 years ago. It's all nice, and fun to play with, which is why it sells. And why people like and want it. But it adds to the distraction..... And accidents.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

Aircraft have always had far more instruments to be monitored than cars. All the screens did is consolidate what was already there. Instead of 15 holes in the instrument panel, with a little gauge in each, they stuck it all on one or 2 big CRT screens. If anything they made it easier.

It's the opposite with cars. Cars today have tons of crap that didn't exist 20 years ago. It's all nice, and fun to play with, which is why it sells. And why people like and want it. But it adds to the distraction..... And accidents.

I’d have a more logical two way conversation with my drywall on this topic than you. You quote no or incomplete data, won’t accept any new information that contradicts your predetermined hunch and simply make things up. Not worth the time.

 

[billt460]

I’d have a more logical two way conversation with my drywall on this topic than you. You quote no or incomplete data, won’t accept any new information that contradicts your predetermined hunch and simply make things up. Not worth the time.

It's only because you're trying to make this into a moon shot, and it's not. If you run in circles long enough, you'll get dizzy. Sit down, take a break.

 

[nthach]

There can be dead space or components already behind them. Our Tahoe has a hidden compartment behind the screen and I’m 100% sure they meant for the owner to put a S&W snub nose in there

Cops also use the Tahoe, and rappers have a fixation on the Escalade.

With mech-less infotainment becoming more common, OEMs are dropping optical drives and the aux port. The aftermarket is following up with shallow-fit or “modular” decks. Toyota’s happy to sell you a $90 USB laptop DVD drive if you wish to play a CD in your car.

Alpine makes a compact amp that can mount behind a radio. So does Pioneer.

 

[JohnnyG]

People on this forum need to stop hating new technology, the world is not going to stop changing because you don't like certain things.

This is not new technology. This is old technology made cheaper, and NOT better.

 

[4WD]

This is not new technology. This is old technology made cheaper, and NOT better.

OMG - was talking to a Texas Instruments engineer about these screens decades back …

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

It's only because you're trying to make this into a moon shot, and it's not. If you run in circles long enough, you'll get dizzy. Sit down, take a break.

I’ll give this one more crack since I had a meeting reschedule and like looking at data. Show me a statistical link between increases in automotive screen size and automotive mortality.

I’ll even give you part of your argument in the data set here ().

Big uptick in 2015 right? Still lower than 2008 thought but a nice jump. Why though if screen size has increased on 25% from 6.3” to 7.4” in 2018 according to IIHS Markit data is automotive mortality rate decreasing from 2015-2019 despite increase in miles driven by 5.2%?

Let’s look at other factors, for example smartphone ownership in the US at the same time. That increased from 21% from 2014-2017 and 10.8% from 2014-2015. Wireless data traffic increased from 1.1 Gb per month per user on average to 2.8gb per month between 2013-2015 according CTIA(CTIA report). The average car on the road in 2015 was 11.5 years old. To me it seems more likely that the increase in death rate would be tied more to smartphone useage vs screen size since it’s likely based on the data attached that >55% of American cell phone owners at the time would have a smart phone with internet connectivity and highly interactive GUI than an infotainment system. I don’t have data on screen proliferation for this year of car (2003) but I think we can safely assume that it’s highly unlikely that many of these cars would have any screens at all.

Anecdotally I’ve been hit by 3 distracted drivers. All but one of which had their phones in their hands, the other one was drunk. 2/3 had infotainment, one was in a Ford with the basic Sync system the other was a 2013 Silverado with a fairly small screen if I recall.

Moreover as more of these screens come onto line and they start increasing in market penetration why are the mortality statistics decreasing?


Again show me the link, and the data. If these things are so distracting then why when they’re implemented does the data indicate that the safety of what they’re implemented in seem to increase or remain the same?

I’d genuinely love to see it, I like sharing ideas and the data behind them which is why I like these forums.

 

[Pew]

OMG - was talking to a Texas Instruments engineer about these screens decades back …

My screen is a Ti-84. It's kind of hard to see the GPS but I can solve a math problem really fast at least!

 

[2EHA]

Cops also use the Tahoe, and rappers have a fixation on the Escalade.

the escalade has been out of style for like 15 years