Could the vibrations from the DCT have caused the refrigerant line to crack? While you might not be able to prove this, it might be what happened.
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I rented a Focus SE hatchback and with low miles the DCT transmission felt like a person learning how to drive a manual transmission. Very jerky until 15 miles per hour.
How could Ford do such a terrible job ?
My 2005 Civic with 4 speed auto transmission shifts like butter. Extremely smooth and trouble free. Its also very low tech.
How could Ford do such a terrible job ?
My 2005 Civic with 4 speed auto transmission shifts like butter. Extremely smooth and trouble free. Its also very low tech.
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
Could the vibrations from the DCT have caused the refrigerant line to crack? While you might not be able to prove this, it might be what happened.
Possibly, I'll try to find out more tomorrow.
I'm also looking into participating in the class-action lawsuit against Ford for this issue in the Focus and fiesta (http://fordpowershiftlawsuit.com/)
We'll see what happens I guess.
Could the vibrations from the DCT have caused the refrigerant line to crack? While you might not be able to prove this, it might be what happened.
Possibly, I'll try to find out more tomorrow.
I'm also looking into participating in the class-action lawsuit against Ford for this issue in the Focus and fiesta (http://fordpowershiftlawsuit.com/)
We'll see what happens I guess.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
I rented a Focus SE hatchback and with low miles the DCT transmission felt like a person learning how to drive a manual transmission. Very jerky until 15 miles per hour.
That is exactly how they feel. Made me crazy when I had one for a rental since all I drive is manual.
I rented a Focus SE hatchback and with low miles the DCT transmission felt like a person learning how to drive a manual transmission. Very jerky until 15 miles per hour.
That is exactly how they feel. Made me crazy when I had one for a rental since all I drive is manual.
Here is my review of rental Focus SE with transmission problems.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3991960/2015_Ford_Focus_rental_has__tr
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3991960/2015_Ford_Focus_rental_has__tr
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
When can you lemon law it?
Seeems the accident is going to throw a wrench in to using the lemon law. IMHO.
Not 100%, but I think the magnusson moss might help here, I'd really have to talk to a lemon law lawyer most likely.
Seems like a easy argument for Ford is-the accident messed up the drive train and hence it is not like when the car left the assembly line.
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
When can you lemon law it?
Seeems the accident is going to throw a wrench in to using the lemon law. IMHO.
Not 100%, but I think the magnusson moss might help here, I'd really have to talk to a lemon law lawyer most likely.
Seems like a easy argument for Ford is-the accident messed up the drive train and hence it is not like when the car left the assembly line.
I love Ford vehicles, but they really dropped the ball with those DCT 'boxes. Focus now uses a conventional 6 speed torque converter automatic in Oz, while I believe the US models continue on with DCT. The general public is becoming aware of the DCT woes through the media, and a friend in the trade tells me they struggle to sell secondhand Focus, Fiesta, Mondeo, or anything else lumbered with that 'box. I'd be getting out of it while it's worth "something".
Originally Posted By: WylieCoyote
Mind-boggling quantity of posts about this on the Focus forums. That's one bad transmission that doesn't seem to be getting any better, even for 2016.
I bought a 2012 Titanium before having done any research on the car, and the horror stories made my toes curl. Mine never did any of the lurching or hesitating, but it did exhibit some odd behavior that I knew I'd never be able to have diagnosed, because it was only once-in-a-while. When I'd slow down to about 20 mph and re-accelerate, it would stop up-shifting after 3rd gear, even while driving 55 mph. I'd drive a while like that, and then finally put it in manual mode and force it to upshift. After a few more instances of that, I traded it in before the real drama started. Too bad....really liked everything else about the car.
Good luck to you. From the reading I've done on the Focus Forums, I'd venture to say your troubles will continue until they replace the entire transmission. At that point, pray you get a good unit. There are some folks on the forums that have never had any troubles, which is part of what makes this issue so puzzling.
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Nice looking Focus!!
Mind-boggling quantity of posts about this on the Focus forums. That's one bad transmission that doesn't seem to be getting any better, even for 2016.
I bought a 2012 Titanium before having done any research on the car, and the horror stories made my toes curl. Mine never did any of the lurching or hesitating, but it did exhibit some odd behavior that I knew I'd never be able to have diagnosed, because it was only once-in-a-while. When I'd slow down to about 20 mph and re-accelerate, it would stop up-shifting after 3rd gear, even while driving 55 mph. I'd drive a while like that, and then finally put it in manual mode and force it to upshift. After a few more instances of that, I traded it in before the real drama started. Too bad....really liked everything else about the car.
Good luck to you. From the reading I've done on the Focus Forums, I'd venture to say your troubles will continue until they replace the entire transmission. At that point, pray you get a good unit. There are some folks on the forums that have never had any troubles, which is part of what makes this issue so puzzling.
Nice looking Focus!!
Originally Posted By: WylieCoyote
Mind-boggling quantity of posts about this on the Focus forums. That's one bad transmission that doesn't seem to be getting any better, even for 2016.
I bought a 2012 Titanium before having done any research on the car, and the horror stories made my toes curl. Mine never did any of the lurching or hesitating, but it did exhibit some odd behavior that I knew I'd never be able to have diagnosed, because it was only once-in-a-while. When I'd slow down to about 20 mph and re-accelerate, it would stop up-shifting after 3rd gear, even while driving 55 mph. I'd drive a while like that, and then finally put it in manual mode and force it to upshift. After a few more instances of that, I traded it in before the real drama started. Too bad....really liked everything else about the car.
Good luck to you. From the reading I've done on the Focus Forums, I'd venture to say your troubles will continue until they replace the entire transmission. At that point, pray you get a good unit. There are some folks on the forums that have never had any troubles, which is part of what makes this issue so puzzling.
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I drove those DCT's (the ones in the buses, anyways), and we had some of those techs chasing those same, random patterns for a while. What they made abundantly clear to me is that they were incredibly sensitive to even improper torqueing when installation after a refurb, the clutches being notoriously sensitive (20ft.lbs too low... Your clutch would eat itself in a few months; 20ft.lbs too high, your main bearing would eat itself alive.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJnNPbjjjs
LMAO!
Yeah, NO one is ever going to get one of these things fixed outside of warranty.
Mind-boggling quantity of posts about this on the Focus forums. That's one bad transmission that doesn't seem to be getting any better, even for 2016.
I bought a 2012 Titanium before having done any research on the car, and the horror stories made my toes curl. Mine never did any of the lurching or hesitating, but it did exhibit some odd behavior that I knew I'd never be able to have diagnosed, because it was only once-in-a-while. When I'd slow down to about 20 mph and re-accelerate, it would stop up-shifting after 3rd gear, even while driving 55 mph. I'd drive a while like that, and then finally put it in manual mode and force it to upshift. After a few more instances of that, I traded it in before the real drama started. Too bad....really liked everything else about the car.
Good luck to you. From the reading I've done on the Focus Forums, I'd venture to say your troubles will continue until they replace the entire transmission. At that point, pray you get a good unit. There are some folks on the forums that have never had any troubles, which is part of what makes this issue so puzzling.
I drove those DCT's (the ones in the buses, anyways), and we had some of those techs chasing those same, random patterns for a while. What they made abundantly clear to me is that they were incredibly sensitive to even improper torqueing when installation after a refurb, the clutches being notoriously sensitive (20ft.lbs too low... Your clutch would eat itself in a few months; 20ft.lbs too high, your main bearing would eat itself alive.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJnNPbjjjs
LMAO!
Yeah, NO one is ever going to get one of these things fixed outside of warranty.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Kuato
I missed the previous thread...at what mileage did the shudder begin, is there a chance of solving under warranty and if so, have they replaced the transmission yet?
So I've had intermittent shudder issues since about 15k miles. I purchased the vehicle brand new with like 12 miles on it. It suffered from input shaft seal leak and destroyed the clutches at 30k, when they were replaced. I've had it back for the TCM to be reprogrammed several times since then. In June I was in an accident that resulted in the Transmission (but not the clutch, actuators, or TCM) being replaced with a junkyard trans under insurance claim. Following that, the TCM was replaced by Ford under warranty about 2 months ago I think. This is being covered under warranty as well. The transmission problems are covered up to 7 years/100k miles under extended warranty. But the shudder has returned worse than it's ever been. I'm hopeful the new clutch pack (I think they are on revision like H of the clutch pack by now or something, I think I have rev E now.
At least it'll tide me over till I'm ready to trade it in on something else
Fwiw:
1) They aren't all like this
2) The TCM is warranted for 10 years/150k, the clutch 7/100
What in the world happened in the accident to require a transmission, but not clutch/TCM module? This, and the pedigree of whatever replacement transmission was installed, seem to me to be big contributors to your problems.
lol, no. So the problem was hitting a big piece of iron in the middle of the highway in Cleveland after midnight, which broke the steering rack in half, and broke the transmission housing, ripping the trans mount right off of the transmission itself. Only the transmission itself needed replaced, the actuators, clutches, and TCM were all carried over. The transmission itself is fine, the clutch is the problem. as is the problem on almost all of these. Even the dealer says they replace multiple of these weekly, some people have had 4 clutches on their cars.
Ah ok I recall the highway debris and I think I posted in it....thanks.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Kuato
I missed the previous thread...at what mileage did the shudder begin, is there a chance of solving under warranty and if so, have they replaced the transmission yet?
So I've had intermittent shudder issues since about 15k miles. I purchased the vehicle brand new with like 12 miles on it. It suffered from input shaft seal leak and destroyed the clutches at 30k, when they were replaced. I've had it back for the TCM to be reprogrammed several times since then. In June I was in an accident that resulted in the Transmission (but not the clutch, actuators, or TCM) being replaced with a junkyard trans under insurance claim. Following that, the TCM was replaced by Ford under warranty about 2 months ago I think. This is being covered under warranty as well. The transmission problems are covered up to 7 years/100k miles under extended warranty. But the shudder has returned worse than it's ever been. I'm hopeful the new clutch pack (I think they are on revision like H of the clutch pack by now or something, I think I have rev E now.
At least it'll tide me over till I'm ready to trade it in on something else
Fwiw:
1) They aren't all like this
2) The TCM is warranted for 10 years/150k, the clutch 7/100
What in the world happened in the accident to require a transmission, but not clutch/TCM module? This, and the pedigree of whatever replacement transmission was installed, seem to me to be big contributors to your problems.
lol, no. So the problem was hitting a big piece of iron in the middle of the highway in Cleveland after midnight, which broke the steering rack in half, and broke the transmission housing, ripping the trans mount right off of the transmission itself. Only the transmission itself needed replaced, the actuators, clutches, and TCM were all carried over. The transmission itself is fine, the clutch is the problem. as is the problem on almost all of these. Even the dealer says they replace multiple of these weekly, some people have had 4 clutches on their cars.
Ah ok I recall the highway debris and I think I posted in it....thanks.
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