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Can you beleive that one guys name, Wantanbe. Wantanbe the new car sales leader.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Can you beleive that one guys name, Wantanbe. Wantanbe the new car sales leader.
His name is Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe.
Can you beleive that one guys name, Wantanbe. Wantanbe the new car sales leader.
His name is Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe.
I can believe that i comes before e.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Can you beleive that one guys name, Wantanbe. Wantanbe the new car sales leader.
I can't believe that it's being called a "battle"
Compare TM to GM on the stock index. Toyota's market cap dwarfs GMs by somewhere around 12 to 1. Toyota can buy and sell GM several times over.
Can you beleive that one guys name, Wantanbe. Wantanbe the new car sales leader.
I can't believe that it's being called a "battle"
Compare TM to GM on the stock index. Toyota's market cap dwarfs GMs by somewhere around 12 to 1. Toyota can buy and sell GM several times over.
I don't get the plug in electric deal. I mean, what you save in gas powered polution just gets moved to the electric power plants that make the power to charge the car. And I think power plants emit much more pollution than today's cars.
Can anybody explain this to me as I am probably missing something here.
Can anybody explain this to me as I am probably missing something here.
It's better than having to fight with a pig for a tank of fuel.
Coal is our most abundant, cheapest, and found right here within our own wonderful country, to supply us with all the power we need to power our automobiles and anything else. U.S powerplant technology surpasses Aussie tech, so dont chime in(Such as Cogen plants, with limerock). Funny thing is, you have all these enviromental freaks who are worried about pollution and climate etc.., so they dont want to use it, sooo they would rather load it on a boat and ship it to China, who have no problem with burning it without any of our scrubbing filter technology installed on their plants, but people dont speak out about that,if they do they disappear, with most of their family. Meanwhile we attempt to conserve energy when we are sitting on litterly, tons of it, to save the planet for our children. Meanwhile throw another tire on the fire in Mexico. Why cant we all just worry about now, yes, some day the Earth will end, someday the sun may burn out, the super Volcano may erupt and plummel 2/3rds of the U.S, its gonna happen on somebodies generation. But until the Earth is all one big country, lets just use the coal ourselves and be done with it.
That's a decent point about the scrubbers we have on plants. And someday the piper will need a paycheck for the fun we're having importing stuff from China while exporting our pollution over there. This talk about pollution and one country doing something is moot. We all breathe the same atmosphere around the world. The NOx my gas-hog Buick emits while warming up the cat will eventually be breathed in by some Chinese person, just like the SO2 that Chinese factory emits will fall onto said Buick, making it rust faster. We're all contributing to the pollution. So let's sell China some scrubbers for their coal plants and catalysts for their diesel buses, make some jobs here in the States (specifically my hometown which designs/makes the catalysts), and let everyone breathe a bit easier. Warm and fuzzy for everyone.
And hybrids I personally think are a bit worse for the environment than my Buick. How do they keep the cats warm enough to function without running the gas engine rich enough to re-warm the cat every time it starts? And doesn't making the battery take more fossil fuel than it saves in operation? Rant done.
And hybrids I personally think are a bit worse for the environment than my Buick. How do they keep the cats warm enough to function without running the gas engine rich enough to re-warm the cat every time it starts? And doesn't making the battery take more fossil fuel than it saves in operation? Rant done.
You dont quite understand, The Chinese dont want scrubbers, they dont care. They want to produce energy as cheap as possible, to make products as cheap as possible, to sell to us as cheap as possible. To make as much money as possible. Meanwhile we all worry about restrictions and clean air and enviromental impacts and then wonder why we cant compete on the same item. We used to be able to make steel cheap, but we were making too much pollution and the companies had to pay fines and install pollution controls, this all adds to the price of steel, solution, let other countries use old technology, pollute their little hearts out, because they are "Emerging Technology" and then buy the steel from them, cheaper with less agrevation.
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GMboy- it's far easier to scrub a few stacks than it is millions of cars. The efficiency can be in debate due to losses in transmission and whatnot, but in many environments, there's a substantial plus side in the package. Nukes would reduce most of the minus sides of the equation if there was a decent way to manage the waste. They just need to buy enough land to just abandon most stuff "in place".
Panzer - you're pondering the obvious.
Here's the "shiny side".
"As a world leader, the USA is OBLIGATED to be on the leading edge of future evolutions in environmental management. Others will follow as they develop the economic capability to do so. Hence, we foster them going through the industrialization process to achieve this economic viability. As our antiquated technologies are retired, these emerging economies will be able to afford to utilize them for their continued growth....blablabla".
The other side of the coin:
"Give it to the Chinese. Let them mess up their backyard, then sell them the stuff to clean it up."
"We" aren't really much in the process other than the lubricant for the machinery.
Panzer - you're pondering the obvious.
Here's the "shiny side".
"As a world leader, the USA is OBLIGATED to be on the leading edge of future evolutions in environmental management. Others will follow as they develop the economic capability to do so. Hence, we foster them going through the industrialization process to achieve this economic viability. As our antiquated technologies are retired, these emerging economies will be able to afford to utilize them for their continued growth....blablabla".
The other side of the coin:
"Give it to the Chinese. Let them mess up their backyard, then sell them the stuff to clean it up."
"We" aren't really much in the process other than the lubricant for the machinery.
Obligated, by the rest of the world. Meanwhile we are regulating ourselves out of bussiness and into a economic qaugmire. The Cogen plants in PA, that burn Limerock with the high sulfer coal, that noone else will touch are on the leading edge, they are a bit tight with that technology. The whole point is though we can produce the energy, if they would let us. They all worry about what effects we might have, and we might just get knocked out by a metorite the size of Texas, and it was all for nothing.
Sensible things are ussually boring and lack the luster of living on the edge. Enjoy
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