Thanksgiving - 3 dead teens Cyber truck crash and resulting fire

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I get it, it’s an EV and garners attention.
But EVs have a market saturation of only less than 3% on US roads but these tragedies are significant already.
What will this look like when thst number is 40% on the road.

Here is a key statement though. There is a comment that the battery may not have caught fire so clearly there can be other electrical causes in a vehicle with no fossel fuel if correct. There is conflicting information in the story other than the flames were intense

Ps. Notice that an iPhone actually automatically notified police.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...h-dead-injured-california-bay-area-rcna182121



https://nypost.com/2024/11/29/us-ne...-crash-idd-speeding-probed-as-possible-cause/
 
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I'm going to get flack but here it goes anyway. The new batteries that Tesla developed are being installed in the Cybertruck and a few model y's. My question is Did Tesla ever test these out to see if they are more likely to catch fire vs the traditional batteries that they are using? It seems like any small impact sends the Cybertruck up in flames. I don't see this happening with Rivian, or other manufacturers (barring the GM issue with the bolts). Or are Cybertruck drivers just a bunch of brodozers of the ev world?
 
As all accidents of this nature are, this is very tragic.

When I read the article two days ago, I sat back and thought for some time. The question that came to mind, although tragic, are Teslas on a macro basis safer per mile that non Teslas?

I think that question is part of understanding if Teslas are safer or non safer than other vehicles.

Disclosure- I do not own a Tesla or any EV, and I do not have stock in Tesla, any of its suppliers, not any of its competitors.
 
GON said:
As all accidents are, this is very tragic.

When I read the article two days ago, I sat back and thought for some time. The question that came to mind, although tragic, are Teslas on a macro basis safer per mile that non Teslas?

I think that question is part of understanding if Teslas are safer or non safer than other vehicles.
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So far Teslas not looking good and I suspect will be reflected in insurance rates.
More time needed but the data coming out not so good

“Tesla has the highest rate of fatal accidents on the road out of every other car brand in the US, according to new research.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-finds-tesla-higher-rate-174421807.html

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GON said:
As all accidents of this nature are, this is very tragic.

When I read the article two days ago, I sat back and thought for some time. The question that came to mind, although tragic, are Teslas on a macro basis safer per mile that non Teslas?

I think that question is part of understanding if Teslas are safer or non safer than other vehicles.
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I know there were several articles that after Elon went on a tear about radar sensors being a "crutch" Tesla engineers warned that the accident rates would go up. And apparently they have.
An article from Forbes barely a year ago shows this isn't a conspiracy.
"Tesla drivers are the most accident-prone, according to a LendingTree analysis of 30 car brands. It found that Tesla drivers are involved in more accidents than drivers of any other brand. Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Ram (22.76) and Subaru (20.90) were the only other brands with more than 20 accidents per 1,000 drivers for every brand."
So are Cybertruck owners even more accident prone?
 
97prizm said:
I know there were several articles that after Elon went on a tear about radar sensors being a "crutch" Tesla engineers warned that the accident rates would go up. And apparently they have.
An article from Forbes barely a year ago shows this isn't a conspiracy.
"Tesla drivers are the most accident-prone, according to a LendingTree analysis of 30 car brands. It found that Tesla drivers are involved in more accidents than drivers of any other brand. Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Ram (22.76) and Subaru (20.90) were the only other brands with more than 20 accidents per 1,000 drivers for every brand."
So are Cybertruck owners even more accident prone?
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Maybe the buyers of Tesla on a macro basis are not defensive and/or aware drivers by nature.

Young men than grew up in rural communities on a macro basis are substantially better marksmen that their urban counterparts. Yet, urban young men own and fire plenty of small arms, these urban youth simply are not as good as hitting their intended targets. But the small arm is not the reason.
 
Never realized that Wednesday was called Blackout Wednesday until my 19 year old informed me. She did not want her 16 year old sister driving home at 11PM.

Our local yearly death was this time a policemen at local college hit by wrong way driver RT95 in MA driving a TESLA. Guessing drunk as did not stop for state troopers from NH following on opposite side.
 
andrew_j said:
Never realized that Wednesday was called Blackout Wednesday until my 19 year old informed me. She did not want her 16 year old sister driving home at 11PM.

Our local yearly death was this time a policemen at local college hit by wrong way driver RT95 in MA driving a TESLA. Guessing drunk as did not stop for state troopers from NH following on opposite side.
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IIRC I remember reading many years ago the Wednesday before Thanksgiving was the one of, if not the biggest drinking day of the year.
 
Trav said:
Maybe it is time to restrict the amount of HP that can be licensed for public road use.
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Under 21 yes for sure

My 16 year old neighbor got a camero ss, he was a good kid but when you put a lot of HP we all tend to use it.
He ended up killing another young kid doing almost 100 in a 45, now he is spending at least 10 years in jail and another family lost there son. If he would have ha a toyota corolla I don't this this would have happened.
 
Trav said:
Maybe it is time to restrict the amount of HP that can be licensed for public road use.
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I suspect a time will come for this and/or the ability to electronically restrict power by the owner. However that might imply the manufacturer is admitting guilt about marketing a dangerous vehicle.

One thing to remember all cars go over 95 mph so it won’t matter much and nothing will change human behavior except the death rate in cars are at all time lows percentage of drivers percentage wise.

But this could be a nanny regulators dream to further regulate
 
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tblt44 said:
Under 21 yes for sure

My 16 year old neighbor got a camero ss, he was a good kid but when you put a lot of HP we all tend to use it.
He ended up killing another young kid doing almost 100 in a 45, now he is spending at least 10 years in jail and another family lost there son. If he would have ha a toyota corolla I don't this this would have happened.
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The freedom of choice is not without responsibility. Taking that freedom away will not make society safer, it will just make it more inept and useless, because people will be even more clueless.
 
the main issue with a lot of these accidents seems to be the brutal acceleration of electric vehicle compared to gasoline counterparts. People just aren’t trained or prepared enough and it always fun to show others the acceleration.
 
joegreen said:
the main issue with a lot of these accidents seems to be the brutal acceleration of electric vehicle compared to gasoline counterparts. People just aren’t trained or prepared enough and it always fun to show others the acceleration.
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True, but lets not forget the horrific fires these EVs are getting a bad rep for, how intense the fire can be, the resources needed to put them out, and how difficult they are to put out.
 
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